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[Skinny]

want to send me a link for your scenario event?? the Black OPS guys always love big game scenario's just as much as tactical leagues

[Harbinger[TG]]

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I know Sloonan has a thread stuck with a lot of games closer to the Northeast.
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/s...ar-2008-a.html

[10-shot kid]

Skinny: First off don't think because we disagree with you that your not welcome. Quite the contrary.

The real problem your running into is actually quite a common one. The word scenario is quite over used, as you already have said you know. I havn't been to a real 24 hour game since around 2000 because of it. Not one. I have seen people come in and dumb down once great games because of it.

It's not that your the one doing this, or even that your ranking chart dealy-o is suddenly the cause, the effect existed long before then. The reason for such abrassive conflict is that before we went "whatever, tools" and look what happened. Now as people go so far as to go to major promoters scenario games and gripe about any actual scenario play we're quite defensive.


"the reason u mock the idea of this is the reason why people like u are more than willing to sit and watch this sport die without giving it a second glance"

Last I checked the core group was astronomically up which is the segment of paintballers who play at actual fields at actual scenarios. Scenario has been on the rise, look at recent market products aimed to our demographic. That didn't exist when I started scenario back in 99.

"one day kids wont have to try so hard to get a factory sponsorship or recognition for the efforts and acheivements they've done"

I disagree.

"no one is going to go out, waste there time to fake hosting events, just for a stupid rank"

I super balls to the wall awesome disagree.

"Its a disgrace that MCB(supposed supporter of paintball) allows a thread of counter productive and insulting behaviour towards teams that wont ever have a chance to rebuttle a post of someone who insults these teams; but uses a speedball gun for scenario play?"

Anyone can post here, that's why it's called a puplic forum. If they choose not to particibate in puplic discusion than that's rather paralel to deciding not to vote. Too bad for them.



Final point: You can't rank, in any meaningful objective fashion, how good someone is at scenario. You can know informally, you can have a rep, but it's litterally imposible to rank and a silly task to try and undertake. I've never won a single award. I have both sponsers and a good level of magazine coverage. Many other posters on this board havn't won any awards, and it's informally known in the community "that guy is dangerous on the field." It's really not the hardest thing in the world to get recognition/sponsership if your just yourself and give 100% everytime you hit the field.

If you really want some sort of recognition hit up the major fields and producers big events. Sure it's a treck, and gas sometimes costs more than the cost to play, but I promise the experience is far more worth it than the self important golden stick and pocket change someone hands you one day. You'll find yourself playing just for the love of the game in no time All awards, sponsership, and coverage really give you in the end is a nice couple notch boost in the ego. Then you stub your foot on a rock, your eyes clear up, and you realize where you are and what your doing.

[thumper]

silly idea. I say let the tourney and SPPL guys have their rankings, sponsors etc - and let the scenario guys keep their love of the game, fun, honor etc.

half of the scenario ballers I know left tourney ball because of all the silly business. therefore, importing rankings into scenario ball is not likely to get a warm welcome.

edit: major props to Capital Offense - solid team. ditto : Bravo 2 Zero.

[Skinny]

Originally Posted by 10-shot kid

Skinny: First off don't think because we disagree with you that your not welcome. Quite the contrary.

The real problem your running into is actually quite a common one. The word scenario is quite over used, as you already have said you know. I havn't been to a real 24 hour game since around 2000 because of it. Not one. I have seen people come in and dumb down once great games because of it.

It's not that your the one doing this, or even that your ranking chart dealy-o is suddenly the cause, the effect existed long before then. The reason for such abrassive conflict is that before we went "whatever, tools" and look what happened. Now as people go so far as to go to major promoters scenario games and gripe about any actual scenario play we're quite defensive.


"the reason u mock the idea of this is the reason why people like u are more than willing to sit and watch this sport die without giving it a second glance"

Last I checked the core group was astronomically up which is the segment of paintballers who play at actual fields at actual scenarios. Scenario has been on the rise, look at recent market products aimed to our demographic. That didn't exist when I started scenario back in 99.

"one day kids wont have to try so hard to get a factory sponsorship or recognition for the efforts and acheivements they've done"

I disagree.

"no one is going to go out, waste there time to fake hosting events, just for a stupid rank"

I super balls to the wall awesome disagree.

"Its a disgrace that MCB(supposed supporter of paintball) allows a thread of counter productive and insulting behaviour towards teams that wont ever have a chance to rebuttle a post of someone who insults these teams; but uses a speedball gun for scenario play?"

Anyone can post here, that's why it's called a puplic forum. If they choose not to particibate in puplic discusion than that's rather paralel to deciding not to vote. Too bad for them.



Final point: You can't rank, in any meaningful objective fashion, how good someone is at scenario. You can know informally, you can have a rep, but it's litterally imposible to rank and a silly task to try and undertake. I've never won a single award. I have both sponsers and a good level of magazine coverage. Many other posters on this board havn't won any awards, and it's informally known in the community "that guy is dangerous on the field." It's really not the hardest thing in the world to get recognition/sponsership if your just yourself and give 100% everytime you hit the field.

If you really want some sort of recognition hit up the major fields and producers big events. Sure it's a treck, and gas sometimes costs more than the cost to play, but I promise the experience is far more worth it than the self important golden stick and pocket change someone hands you one day. You'll find yourself playing just for the love of the game in no time All awards, sponsership, and coverage really give you in the end is a nice couple notch boost in the ego. Then you stub your foot on a rock, your eyes clear up, and you realize where you are and what your doing.

the issue is done with; whenever you see the word 'scenario' in mainstream; replace it with 'tactical league' or 'mil-sim' and its all done...

P.S. dont compare to a SPPL guy.. I believe in the use of mil-sim gear strictly for the tactical mil-sim leagues and thus why its a joke to everyone who looks in until something is redone

[Harbinger[TG]]

Originally Posted by Skinny

the issue is done with; whenever you see the word 'scenario' in mainstream; replace it with 'tactical league' or 'mil-sim' and its all done...

That is the problem right there. Tactical and MilSim are not mainstream by any stretch of the imagination.

[Drum]

Why do these "scenario" massage threads always seem to break down into meaningless discussions of trivial semantics?

Is it really that important to note the existence of such slight distinctions between "scenario", "milsim" and "tactical"? Are these really different modes of playing paintball or are they just words, like "coke" and "pepsi" meant to inspire people to insipid debates?

Rankings are always controversial and generally pretty meaningless, no matter whether it be sports, colleges or the best type of douche to use for those heavy flow months. But everyone needs their own stick.

No-one is complaining about various members promoting a floral hopper shell as innovation news for our sport and no-one needs to get on skinny or whomever else wants to try and ensure their own perch on the tree of paintball and receive a little love from their peers.

Reminds me a little of those fools who argued about whether their peanut butter got on the other guy's chocolate or vice versa.

But then again, silliness like this has always sold products. Maybe you folks ought to apply for jobs in the ad industry.

[Skinny]

lol Well said Drum.. and actually yes I am in the ad business and own a production company(Apollyon Productions)..

[sloonan]

For the purposes of MCB we separate paintball games into 3 categories.


1. Tournaments: This is any tournament (speedball or woodsball). If prizes are being given out for 1st place, 2nd place, etc. it is a tournament. If these games are limited to 3 man, 5 man team, etc., it is a tournament.

2. Scenario and Big Games: A scenario game is a game that has a theme and usually involves role playing. Big games are large rec games which may or may not have a theme. Milsim and tactical games can fit under this section as long as it doesn't fit under tournament rules.

3. Rec Games: Smaller rec games are put in this section, "Regional Players".

The idea of ranking scenario teams is ridiculous. Rankings are for tournaments, scenarios are for fun.

[RealtorTommy]

I just went to the site...It's a joke.....

Skinny you have any connections to this site?