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YoroSaru 11-17-2011 12:44 AM

new to brass..
 
i just rescued these two from craigslist. and im very happy with both of them......well the dust one im more happy with than the gloss one....see the gloss one leaks and after reading and digging around MCB i think i know my answer i need a new seal kit. i just wanted to show off my new brass......and to thank all the people who have had problems with theirs so i could research and fix mine.
here they are
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8912.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8911.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8910.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8914.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8890.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8889.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8893.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...y/IMG_8892.jpg

senghing27 11-17-2011 12:47 AM

There are two possible leaks...

-12 gram seal
-orings

Where is it leaking?

Pull the rear cap off and see if you have a cartridge valve or a non-cartridge valve. This would be helpful to know if you need a specific valve tool or if you can just punch out the valve.

the_chemist 11-17-2011 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by senghing27 (Post 2088385)
There are two possible leaks...

-12 gram seal
-orings

Where is it leaking?

Pull the rear cap off and see if you have a cartridge valve or a non-cartridge valve. This would be helpful to know if you need a specific valve tool or if you can just punch out the valve.

It is easier than that, just look whether it says p-series or pa-series on the side.

Nice scores

YoroSaru 11-17-2011 12:59 AM

the gloss one has a PA on the side and the dust one has a P on it
(Gloss one is the one leaking)
it leaks from where the 12g is...when i cock it it does not go away.

senghing27 11-17-2011 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_chemist (Post 2088396)
It is easier than that, just look whether it says p-series or pa-series on the side.

Nice scores

True true...
I just like having a visual check, makes life easier :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoroSaru (Post 2088398)
the gloss one has a PA on the side and the dust one has a P on it
(Gloss one is the one leaking)
it leaks from where the 12g is...when i cock it it does not go away.

Sounds like a 12 gram face seal.
PM MaD for some seals.

YoroSaru 11-17-2011 02:47 PM

Senghing27 i will do this tonight just so i can visually check.....also here is a dumb question, how would i be able to see the difference in the two.

senghing27 11-17-2011 02:58 PM

Not a dumb question at all. As already said by chemist, you can take a look at the branding and that will 99% of the time tell you the valve.

However, I like to visually check things and not go into it and be like "Oh shoot I need a valve tool"

Here's a fantastic link.
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/s...ech-links.html

The PA one should be the cartridge valve and the P one should be the old style valve.

The leaking one should be really easy to deal with.
You pull the grip frame off and all other parts of the marker. Drop two 12 grams through the rear and slightly tap it on a table or with a rubber mallet. Valve would slide forward and you can check the face seal.
I'm OCD, so while you have it apart, it wouldn't hurt to swap out the new orings either.
If you have any questions, just post them. Pics are always easier to work with tho.

YoroSaru 11-17-2011 03:55 PM

thnak you for all of your info when i get home from work i will start to take appart and take some pictures so you have visuals.
as far as the different valves go....what is the main difference between the two? is it for efficiency or for easy removal? im just curious.

senghing27 11-17-2011 05:36 PM

Ease of removal is the big one.

The other things is one is "easier" to mod for efficiency, play with springs, blah blah blah.

the_chemist 11-17-2011 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YoroSaru (Post 2089028)
thnak you for all of your info when i get home from work i will start to take appart and take some pictures so you have visuals.
as far as the different valves go....what is the main difference between the two? is it for efficiency or for easy removal? im just curious.

The cartridge valve(PA-series) is just that, a cartridge. It is an all in one unit that is only secured in place by the front grip screw(careful you dont strip it). It can be removed through the back of marker by using a 1/2" dowel or equivalent place through the front where the 12g goes in and carefully hammered out.

The original valve(p-series) is held in place by a square nut in the valve tube(like a cocker), you will need a special tool and it is in pieces. If you take a look at the stickies there should be instructions on both, although you may want to look near the end of the threads as the images are missing sometimes.

As far as performance, not much difference. I find the cartridge a little easier to mod for efficiency,


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