Fixing the worst gun ever made - Page 3

Azzy · 04-17-2007, 11:13 AM

You can get it customised.. but dont expect to get any cash out of it. i think even the best ones have only gotten up to around 6bps.

Stock, they usually go for 40 or so. Your choice though. It would make for an interesting gun.

SuperHiQuality87 · 04-17-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by spanky1205

Ha, your gun sounds like an old Harley, it leaves a puddle of oil where ever it goes.

What!? No way! More like an old NORTON!

III

chplnstone · 04-17-2007, 08:11 PM

last one i sold went for around $80 i think, i have an extra set of internals if anyone needs them...also have another, same frame seal problem, sits on a shelf til i have time...

Emerald Wolf · 04-17-2007, 08:42 PM

I must have got all kinds of monkey lucky....Not only did I find a brand new seal, but I got a new trigger valve as well....Too bad the shop folded up some time after that, I'da fixed y'all up. (Apparently the guy had bought about 90% of what Crosman had left in parts)

I actually did manage to punch a new seal and cut the leak way back...(but anal me could still HEAR it

I had used some of that heavy old red rubber gasket material....It worked okay, was plenty tough...The trick with those seals is they are beveled...They leak like mad if you put it in the upside down.

The trigger valve sucks. It sucks even worse that you can't just tap the holes and run a 'cocker 4 way...(they are basically the same in function) Me and Punisher had a talk about this some time back. Basically it came down to that a cocker 4 way is only good to about 200 psi, and an Equalizer's is more like 300+ (An Equalizer's 4 way hath no o-rings, it has a brass valve shaft with nylon seals) I suppose that if you could talk somebody into turning some teflon or delrin seals, you might smooth the trigger out some.

I like mine since I've got it to quit leaking. I hate the grip frame though. I have the same issue with some of the larger Pachmyer grips. They are wide front-to-back, but thin from side-to-side. I have fairly large hands, and they aren't comfy to hold. I keep threatening to woodstock it...Maybe make it look something like a Reising M-50....Although, filing off the "fin" grip and making some wood panels is on the table too....

Catchya on the Flip Side.....

Emerald Wolf -- too bad they didn't make a frame that takes LoneStars like everybody else....

scooter · 04-17-2007, 08:56 PM

You may soon wish you hadnt oiled the bejeebies out of the delrin parts. Unless you mistook some other type of plastic for delrin. Delrin is "self lubricating" and also porous. That last part can bite you in the a$$. I found out personally that delrin swells when oiled. Had to put the bolt from my Rebel 90 in the lathe and shave off a thou so it would pump again. Dont know if anyone else has noticed this.

Azzy · 04-17-2007, 09:39 PM

that may be why it isnt leaking.. or working right.

These things were a bad gun, worst regulator ever (which was then copied in the RG1, with some improvement, and then taken by CMI to release what would be the worst of the worst regs, the CM2000's

Gabe · 04-19-2007, 12:32 PM

The seals aren't delrin, they're nylon so oiling them won't cause a problem. I might just have to throw this gun in a stock, that sounds pretty cool.

amcfall · 04-19-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Azzy

I tried making a seal that way, and it worked... for 3 shots

BTW, the S4 is the worst gun ever made

That's what I thought this thread was about :-(

Avery

04-17-2007, 11:13 AM	#21 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	You can get it customised.. but dont expect to get any cash out of it. i think even the best ones have only gotten up to around 6bps. Stock, they usually go for 40 or so. Your choice though. It would make for an interesting gun. __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

04-17-2007, 09:39 PM	#26 (permalink)
Azzy Mod-O-Rator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Finleyville, PA	that may be why it isnt leaking.. or working right. These things were a bad gun, worst regulator ever (which was then copied in the RG1, with some improvement, and then taken by CMI to release what would be the worst of the worst regs, the CM2000's __________________ Bryan "Azzy" Spiegel Riverside Renegade Paintball / C.C. S.V.S. Plankowner - LPPC#6 "It is my right to be uncommon—if I can. I seek opportunity—not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed. I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia. I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself, enjoy the benefit of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, “This I have done.” - Dean Alfange

04-19-2007, 12:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
Gabe Blaster of Muppets Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chugiak, AK	The seals aren't delrin, they're nylon so oiling them won't cause a problem. I might just have to throw this gun in a stock, that sounds pretty cool. __________________ "There's nary a beast that can outrun a greased-up scotsman!" - Willie "What makes a VM so charming is that you can chop down small trees with it" - Jaan

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04-17-2007, 08:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
chplnstone bringing back the dead Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: pensacola, florida	last one i sold went for around $80 i think, i have an extra set of internals if anyone needs them...also have another, same frame seal problem, sits on a shelf til i have time...

04-17-2007, 08:42 PM	#24 (permalink)
Emerald Wolf Active Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Denver, Colo.	I must have got all kinds of monkey lucky....Not only did I find a brand new seal, but I got a new trigger valve as well....Too bad the shop folded up some time after that, I'da fixed y'all up. (Apparently the guy had bought about 90% of what Crosman had left in parts) I actually did manage to punch a new seal and cut the leak way back...(but anal me could still HEAR it I had used some of that heavy old red rubber gasket material....It worked okay, was plenty tough...The trick with those seals is they are beveled...They leak like mad if you put it in the upside down. The trigger valve sucks. It sucks even worse that you can't just tap the holes and run a 'cocker 4 way...(they are basically the same in function) Me and Punisher had a talk about this some time back. Basically it came down to that a cocker 4 way is only good to about 200 psi, and an Equalizer's is more like 300+ (An Equalizer's 4 way hath no o-rings, it has a brass valve shaft with nylon seals) I suppose that if you could talk somebody into turning some teflon or delrin seals, you might smooth the trigger out some. I like mine since I've got it to quit leaking. I hate the grip frame though. I have the same issue with some of the larger Pachmyer grips. They are wide front-to-back, but thin from side-to-side. I have fairly large hands, and they aren't comfy to hold. I keep threatening to woodstock it...Maybe make it look something like a Reising M-50....Although, filing off the "fin" grip and making some wood panels is on the table too.... Catchya on the Flip Side..... Emerald Wolf -- too bad they didn't make a frame that takes LoneStars like everybody else....

04-17-2007, 08:56 PM	#25 (permalink)
scooter Rec Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Manitoba, Canada	You may soon wish you hadnt oiled the bejeebies out of the delrin parts. Unless you mistook some other type of plastic for delrin. Delrin is "self lubricating" and also porous. That last part can bite you in the a$$. I found out personally that delrin swells when oiled. Had to put the bolt from my Rebel 90 in the lathe and shave off a thou so it would pump again. Dont know if anyone else has noticed this.