Paintball

[agentSmith]

Definitely true. I can remember the Airsoldier SASE(SideArmShootingEnthusiasts) forum being the first communication I had with others of my kind. In fact those forums, the brand specific forums and sections like this one and it's somewhat dormant companion 'Stock Class Semi' over on StockClassPaintball.com are what is convincing companies that pistols are worth bringing to market. Thank heavens. Think about the amount of money Tiberius has made and think what would have happened if AGD had worked on developing a pistol and not wasted time on the Emag(beautiful though they were, they were not a financial success). Who wouldn't have bought a pistol from Tom Kaye? I would have...

Rob

[CJOttawa]

Originally Posted by agentSmith

Definitely true. I can remember the Airsoldier SASE(SideArmShootingEnthusiasts) forum being the first communication I had with others of my kind. In fact those forums, the brand specific forums and sections like this one and it's somewhat dormant companion 'Stock Class Semi' over on StockClassPaintball.com are what is convincing companies that pistols are worth bringing to market. Thank heavens. Think about the amount of money Tiberius has made and think what would have happened if AGD had worked on developing a pistol and not wasted time on the Emag(beautiful though they were, they were not a financial success). Who wouldn't have bought a pistol from Tom Kaye? I would have...

Rob

Paintball is a market in which pistols can be uniquely successful.

EVERY paintball marker - pistol, machine-gun, rifle, whatever - has the same handicap:
Launching an imperfect, gelatin sphere at <300fps.

I'm not sure the manufacturers "get" this but as long as they make guns and people use them, we're building a community knowledge-base of what their capabilities are.

Best marketing photo for AGD pistols right here:


FYI, I hit the Redux barrel with an 800AO flex hone tonight. The 1200LA is still on order with Acklands-Grainger but that'll be the final hone before some field testing.

[PB Weasel]

CJ when you do hone the Dux let us know what the verdict is, as I have ordered a 1200LA hone and am slightly doubting if there will be any difference, except for the last 1.25" of the actual barrel, as the first 5" is tymcneer brass goodness.

[agentSmith]

I've seen that pic and it always made me sad.
You know I had to con a Chief of Police into ordering one with my 'donation', just so I could BORROW it to ______ play with?!?!?!

Ok for Mr Le-De-Da Kaye to run around with them, HE decided nobody wanted one. He decided YOU and I didn't want one. Fun for him, no fun for me.

All he had to do was put a lever changer under the barrel and redo the original air chamber above the valve to assist with anti-siphon and he had a great pistol.
There will come a day in not too many years when more tiberius T8s have been sold than AGD's total input to the market, all markers combined.
No way around it, they totally blew that one.


Just another company who bought into speedball. A company can't stay alive on speedball. Look at Smart Parts and look at Tippmann. Everybody likes to look too cool for school and sneer at what isn't state of the art.
Like the man says:

Extraordinary skills require extraordinary efforts, not extraordinary means

The effort makes you better not the means. Bill Gardner had the state of the art of his company in his hands in the SPPL, when I shot him in the back of the head from over 100' feet away and down a cliff with a $100 hong-kong pistol.
I'm not criticizing in the slightest PEOPLE who play speedball, I do too, it's fun. It's simply a dumbass business model for a company with 0% chance of long term success.


Rob

[chadders]

Originally Posted by cjottawa

Paintball is a market in which pistols can be uniquely successful.

EVERY paintball marker - pistol, machine-gun, rifle, whatever - has the same handicap:
Launching an imperfect, gelatin sphere at <300fps.

I'm not sure the manufacturers "get" this but as long as they make guns and people use them, we're building a community knowledge-base of what their capabilities are.

Best marketing photo for AGD pistols right here:
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/a...1&d=1294022087

FYI, I hit the Redux barrel with an 800AO flex hone tonight. The 1200LA is still on order with Acklands-Grainger but that'll be the final hone before some field testing.

hmm one more thing for my goblin project(flex hone) also ty for my new back ground lol

[Wolfman]

Great read, really useful advice.
Much obliged!

[biteweasel]

I've been looking into ordering a flex hone but the only company in the uk that stocks flex hones do not stock the paintball hone.
They did offer me an alternative.
From their email.
"We currently hold stock of the BC 18mm Levigated Alumina – Extra Fine, however the standard length of this product is 8”, this would need to be extended to 16” in order for it to match the dedicated paintball gun hone, this would be a zista tube which will not have a plastic coating. We do offer an extension service on our products which is shown in the below quote".

My question is, given the price they want to charge me £50 (Roughly $80) is it worth it?
Would the improvement in accuracy on a T68 Pistol and a SA-17 be worth the cost?

Thanks

[agentSmith]

In an overbored pistol like those(both average .691) the jump in accuracy is noticeable and for the barrels of the pistols you mentioned 8" would be long enough. That's a lot of cash for it though... They're 39.99 in the US for the 16". Maybe someone could order you one here and ship it to you, the order time for the 1200LAs is 4-6 weeks though.
18mm is 70 cal, it should work for those pistols but may take off more material, I'd do 5 down and back strokes at a time and check it, 10 should be plenty.

My zeus' were all flexhoned and in side by side comparisons were far more accurate at long range. Short range to 30 feet it didn't show as much...

Rob

[biteweasel]

Well after a long stint of umming an aring I've ordered the flexhone.

I figured as I wasn't going to upgrade to better markers any time soon I might as well get a tool that can make an improvement to the performace of the ones I have. I'm looking at a 4-6 week wait though.

Any advice on what lubricant to use?

[CJOttawa]

You can use just about anything for oil - air tool oil, 3-in-1, whatever. use lots of it, keep the barrel COOL. Give it a rest between passes, even put it in cold water between passes and then re-oil.

Check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_fluid#Liquids

3-in-1 and WD-40 seem to be reasonable bets.