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|03-13-2011, 02:45 PM||#21 (permalink)|
Join Date: Dec 2010
Agentsmith and Mayvik i believe you both have some really good points, i think i'll have to get out there and try out different rigs with both markers. From my research on rigs the amount of Magazines and placement are incredibly important, along with reloading practice.
Thank you all, This has shown me alot of pro's and con's about both markers, and a solid basis to proceed from here
|03-13-2011, 03:21 PM||#22 (permalink)|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Nor does raising questions about my tone or tendency to try to be clear, hide the fact that you can't refute any of the facts I stated, buddy.
I have grindered off the fingergrooves and removed the front rail. I honed the barrels. Also rounded off the front of the triggerguard and bored the co2 exhaust hole larger at the pierce pin.
Other than the barrel hone(I could have got a stiffi instead), these cosmetic body changes could be done with a set of hand files, for pete's sake!
Aside from this my pistols are bone stock inside.
I tested a cocker detent but got rid of it as it affected accuracy
The scales don't lie. The price tags don't lie. Even if we accept the new lower price for the T8mags they still cost double. We can expect troubles to diminish along with prices for the TPX as it gets out of it's infancy, the T8 had to do this process in it's time.
Actually I thought I was being kind...
Most people carry between 6 as I did and Dundadun does and 12 T8 mags.
Say you have 6.
So for the first 48 shots you fire you have a small advantage. The TPX user will change 1 co2 that you don't have to.
After you run out of full mags, you have to reload each mag with balls again which takes more time than to change a TPX co2, so by the 8th mag you fire you're behind. You get behind more over what you could have done with a TPX, each mag you load.
The thing I left out and why I said I thought I was being nice is the true catastrophe. When you run out of mags with co2!
Then you have to do a co2 change MUCH harder than the TPXs, load the mag with paint, then and ONLY then can you use it again. Once you've run out of co2'd mags you're in trouble if the fight is still going on.
It's a curve of diminishing returns, the more paint you shoot the worse the T8 is.
Now there may be lots of people out the who only shoot 48 shots a game. For them the T8 IS the better choice. That's why I was careful to point out to find what's the most fun for you. If you shoot 10 balls a game, you would find the T8 more fun, if you shoot 1,000 or would like to, the TPX is the gun for you. It'll take care of itself.
I bought 2 zeus' when they came out. After study I decided that they were a great primary and a horrible sidearm. So I ditched one and used other stuff for sidearms.
I bought 2 T8s and after logical study found they were a great Sidearm and a horrible primary, so I ditched one and kept the other.
I didn't have to try the stroker, it's all primary.
On back through history 2 pistols at a time until we reach me buying 2 3357s when they first came out. I am brutal, I am harsh but I put them all through the same extreme ringer.
You're a smart man for doing that testing yourself Denverdudeson, as Mayvik and I show, if they were benchmarked like CPUs there would be no need for threads like this. But mayvik and I, both good pistol players, use a different scale to measure with.
We play Pistol and we encourage the Few despite the discouragement of the Many.
|03-13-2011, 03:55 PM||#23 (permalink)|
Limited Paint Play Zealot
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Chicago, IL (Currently Western Burbs)
I can't believe we are back at this again...
Tiberius Mags are $30 new LINK
The bottom line is that you really can't go wrong with either as a primary. They both have their pros and cons. Go with whichever feels best for you. If you can't shoot them at least hold them. Either one gives you a very satisfying feeling when goggling a ramping electro user.
EDIT: Oh and one other thing ... If you get heavily into pistol play, you'll probably eventually end up owning both anyway.
Main: Dual Tiberius Pistols 9.1/8.1 FS Only
Secondary: Dual Tiberius Pistols Custom Polished Non-FS
Pistol Rigs: 6-12 Mag Dual Pistol Rig, Single Pistol 4 Mag Rig
Tertiary: 2k2 Blue Shoebox Shocker / 16" .689 CP / 88-4500 Classic Maxflow / BluApache
+ too many ol' Shoebox Shockers for loaners.
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|03-13-2011, 04:17 PM||#24 (permalink)|
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Atco, NJ
If you want a ton of mags, like 8+, then I'd recommend the tpx because of the weight of the t8.1 mags, especially the t8 mags. I honestly haven't tried the tpx though, only seen it, which is why I mainly comment on the t8.1.
|03-13-2011, 04:25 PM||#25 (permalink)|
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Western Arkansas
I have to weigh in on this. I love my t8 (size is an issue for many that try it though so check that first). My one and only modification that has stuck is the extended mags from spec ops. Instead of 8 I now have 17 shots. I play mostly short games and shot paint like it is made of gold so I load one extended mag and carry one extended mag and am good for up to a thirty minute game. If you are going to be like some pistol players who shoot several clips this would be a horrible option for you. If you are a precise player and work well with team mates you might like the extended mag option. In my opinion the spray and pray tactic used with a pistol as primary makes no sense. Just get a standard semi or electro.
|03-13-2011, 05:14 PM||#26 (permalink)|
im sorry, please don't infer any type of tone, I just want to be clear about my remarks/opinion
In a 20-30 minute game, 6 tac8 mags worth of paint is way more than enough paint for one game. And you won't be changing any 12 grams. Then, for normal rec play, when you swap sides, you add some paint from a couple 10 round tubes into the freshly emptied mags and you are set for another 20-30 minute game.
After the second game, then you get that 10-15 minute break in between fields, you reload 12grams and paint, and grab some water.
The point of this setup, is to never reload paint or air IN a game.
Now change the game type, like what you prefer to play AgentSmith, and I would totally be linking the OP to one of your setup threads.
|03-13-2011, 05:18 PM||#27 (permalink)|
Facta Non Verba
That said, I've been looking for the right deal on a TPX for some time. I know they both do their intended job very well. Neither deserves the hate they seem to attract. They are both great pistols. Everyone should be happy that they have taken off like they have.
The more options a pistol player has the more everyone wins! I hope the trend continues.
|03-13-2011, 07:26 PM||#28 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Setting aside fit and personal preference we can all agree on a few points regarding the TPX and Tib.
Both markers are roughly equivalent spool valve designs spring fed with removable magazines.
TPX is lighter
TPX mags are much lighter
TPX mags are cheaper
TPX has gas supply on marker
T8 has superior quality of materials and construction.
T8 mags share the above trait
T8 has gas in each mag
At the end of the day whichever fits your hand best is probably the right pistol for you.
You can quarrel about the rest but these are the facts.
|03-13-2011, 09:24 PM||#29 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2010
Im probably the roughest player with my "T8.05"s... Why? Simply because the structure was built to last.. You buy a Tiberius pistol once and that is it!
Beat them like a red headed step child, and it ll still love you like a fat kid loves cake (an original chicago quote)
So any time someone says they're heavier look at it as a Quality advantage- especially the magazines.. They eject instantly slam the ground to instantly have a fresh load of co2 (no damage to the mag whatsoever).
When I become rich, I'll do a review and throw both pistols and mags across the room as hard as I can.. and see which pair makes it
And seriously.. Weight difference, we're talking Ounces here, to become more detailed in fact, the weight distribution seems to be better counter-balanced on the tiberius pistols over the rear of your palm-
2 people equipped 1 with each and 3 mags...
Tpx user expends 2.5 mags
Tiberius user expends 3 mags,
A. Who shoots more paint?
Tiberius user; Shoots 27 @ max, considering the 8 +1 in the chamber
B. Who does more work?
Tpx user; shoots anywhere from 14-21 shots (+1 in the chamber doesn't work) and must reload co2, While holding on to the twist knob.
Tiberius & Tpx naturally hold their own out the box
Yet for the t8.1s $199 with first strike compatibilities
Vs the Tpx $219 without first strike-
Naturally Tiberius advances-
TPX has the remote option out the box
Tiberius states> coming soon. Along with airless mags..
That will decrease the thin weight margin :O
Honestly, ...pistol on a line.. One chooses the pistol to maneuver freely and rapidly.... Not restrictively- but to have the option is always great
Tpx : clam shell design with a required: stage 5 master clock smith certification (hahaha) no joke it ain't easy!
Tiberius: 2 size allen keys and oil for a standard clean out
You have any questions with your tiberius marker drop me a message & Ive got you covered -
Everyone looking for a pistol ends up choosing, I just choose wisely for versatility and durability.
My best regards enjoy your pistol when it arrives,
The Midnight Angel
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|03-13-2011, 10:09 PM||#30 (permalink)|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Midnight, you're right about the relationship of weight to quality in this context but I don't think your testing methodology is going to bear the fruit you expect. Since Mass x Velocity = force I expect you'll break the Tiberius before the TPX in the "across the room as hard as I can" test. Unless of course you aim between the studs in which case you'll just need to do some plaster work.
Regarding Airless mags and remote lines Tiberius is a day late and a dollar short. You can't compare vaporware to available products. In addition the lack of compatibility with legacy platforms(T8 T9) makes the remote line and airless mags useless to the faithful. A banjo fitting that replaced the air nipple might have been tempting but If I want something like that I'll have to home brew it.
We're in total agreement regarding the convenience of air-in-mag vs on the gun. The same argument agentSmith is making for TPX regarding not reloading paint on the field applies to gas for the Tib(you can't have it both ways). Personally I find it easier to dump a tube into a T8 mag than to swap a 12gram on a TPX.
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