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Old 01-21-2013, 09:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Non-mag fed pistol suggestions.

If I wanted to pick up a semi automatic pistol to be fed with 10 round tubes, what would be my options? What would be your recommendation?
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 01-21-2013, 01:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The SA-17 is pretty decent... Aside from the stock 12g system.
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Old 01-21-2013, 02:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Ah, but he does specify semi auto, so no pump in this case.

I've heard good things of the warsensors as well as the BT17.
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Old 01-21-2013, 03:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I've owned both, and have a SA-17 with about 3 cases of paint through it now. I love the 17, but its starting to wear down from use. There are a lot of plastic parts used in it and the feed tube on mine is getting pretty wobbly. Earlier this week It stopped recocking and upon inspection I found the grip frame was separating from the gun due to lose screws. A simple fix, but she's showing her age. I've also started getting some chops in the breech which I think may be due to worn out detents letting half if the next ball drop in the breech where it gets sliced. Happened about 5 times this weekend.

I like the ability to make it a rifle if I need to and at its relative low cost, its something you can pick up and try out without hurting your wallet. I too don't like mags and prefer 10 round tubes, and my next semi will probably be a new custom squall from PPS. I've owned 5 of them now and with PPS's new cocker threaded barrel option, I think I have a design in mind that will get me what I want out of the platform, with the durability I'm looking for. I'd previously abandoned the squall for a variety of reasons but I think I have thought through the issues enough to warrant another one, built to my specs.

If you have the cash to spend, a squall can be a lot of fun and is the pinnacle of 10round semis in my opinion. If you are looking for a cheap, every now and then shooter, either the Zeus or SA-17 will serve you well. Hell, you could go through 4 of those markers for the price of a squall.
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Old 01-21-2013, 08:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ah, but he does specify semi auto, so no pump in this case.

I've heard good things of the warsensors as well as the BT17.
My bad...

I wrote a comparison, a few years ago, about the main semi pistols on the market...

I'm too lazzy to update and translate that tonight...
I'll try to summarize it, anyway.

Please forgive me for my poor (and sometime weird) English


(note: I will only present the pistol part of the review. If you want infos about revolvers, just ask )

About the Zeus G1/G2/Overlord/ACP (they're very similar)
Good
  • efficient: 20-30 shots out of a 12g
  • precise and accurate
  • decent range (no problem in hitting a target at 35 m/~115 ft/38 yards)
  • low kick
  • sturdy
  • "bottom-line ready" grip (holes for ASA are presents)

Bad:
  • heavy: a bit heavier than a fully loaded T8.1
  • unbalanced: all the weight on the front! you'll have to use both hands to get some accuracy (or have big muscles)
  • feed tube in the line of sight... but that's what we want here, isn't it?
  • size: I don't know about the US, but here in Europe, it's kinda hard to find a holster that fit such a monster (Dukie, if you read this: your DRVs would need custom-made holsters).
  • barrel bore is ~.687, which is great... When you have a ball sizer.
  • Field strip easy but sh*tloads of tiny bits and pieces... so don't strip it on the field!
  • no reg... don't be trigger happy if you're playing with CO2
  • 12g changing is... laborious (especially when 4 guys are shooting towards your position)

Conclusion: Not bad, but heavy... too heavy, I think (and I usually play with a tank-attached SL68-II).

Delta68

Good:
  • range
  • decent accuracy
  • delrin bolt is nicely designed (many T68 owners are looking for it, see below)

Bad:
  • poorly designed puncture pin: punction is slooooow, so C02 leaks and freezes Orings and seals
  • reduced autonomy (barely 15 shots from a 12g)

Conclusion: Didn't had the opportunity to shoot one recently. These are oldies, not real goodies, but they are cheap. I might buy one for collection purposes only.

RAP4 T68

Good:
  • accurate
  • long range!
  • lots of accessories
  • quick 12g change
  • quick feed tube change
  • cheap feed tubes
  • 20 shots feed tubes available (nice with a 9" barrel)
  • decent stock barrel: it shoots straight!
  • rubber grip, comfy for small hands
  • sturdy
  • quite easy to field strip
  • parts are standard Spyder/Swap/Delta68

Bad:
  • 12g change can be tricky: the Orings seems to REALLY dislike CO2 exposure. Always lube your twelvies and dry shoot to make sure there's no gas left!
  • the 12g seal tends to slip away
  • feed tubes not so easy to refill (didn't had the problem but I was told by several sources and read on some forum)
  • crappy manual
  • plastic bolt (but: can be replaced with a delrin bolt from a Delta68!)
  • small grip: not for big hands

Conclusion:
In my humble opinion this one beats the G1/G2/whatever. Reason is simple: lots of accessories (there's even a egrip!), standard part and good performance.
I wouldn't recommand the 9" barrel, though, because balls seems to behave weirdly then... accuracy lowered by a longer barrel...

BT SA-17

Good
  • breech insert conception (would be better if it was compatible with aftermarkets inserts)
  • feed tube on the SIDE (left or righ, chose your poison)
  • 12g change really quick when mastered
  • picatinny rails
  • hopper compatible
  • rip-clip compatible
  • easy hammer and bolt access
  • fits in lots of holsters
  • "lifetime warranty"
  • "BT compatible"
  • Cocker threaded

Bad:
  • breaks when 12g is empty
  • feed tube is tricky to reload but you'll get used
  • 12g change is... an alien device (BT had problem with it and earlier versions of the SA17 got a recall). Don't even try to open it with your gloves on
  • puncture assembly is ! Problem seems to be solved with constant air adapter.
  • needs constant care: if you're not the guy who strips his gun apart before and after every single day of play this gun is going to wear out pretty fast!

Conclusion:
Cheap, sturdy, easy... that's a BT.
I'd recommand it if you want to use it as your main gun (see pic below).
Be aware that you'll get what you paid for: lots of plastic, cheapos grip, really weird 12g system.
Good sidearm, though, but keep in mind that it need lots of care and many parts are consumable!

Now the pic... a team mate uses this setup for building and close action (there's a red dot sight... behind the rip-clip):
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Old 01-22-2013, 03:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
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RAP4 T68

Good:

accurate
long range!
lots of accessories
quick 12g change
quick feed tube change
cheap feed tubes
20 shots feed tubes available (nice with a 9" barrel)
decent stock barrel: it shoots straight!
rubber grip, comfy for small hands
sturdy
quite easy to field strip
parts are standard Spyder/Swap/Delta68


Bad:

12g change can be tricky: the Orings seems to REALLY dislike CO2 exposure. Always lube your twelvies and dry shoot to make sure there's no gas left!
the 12g seal tends to slip away
feed tubes not so easy to refill (didn't had the problem but I was told by several sources and read on some forum)
crappy manual
plastic bolt (but: can be replaced with a delrin bolt from a Delta68!)
small grip: not for big hands


Conclusion:
In my humble opinion this one beats the G1/G2/whatever. Reason is simple: lots of accessories (there's even a egrip!), standard part and good performance.
I wouldn't recommand the 9" barrel, though, because balls seems to behave weirdly then... accuracy lowered by a longer barrel...
Agree on the barrel extention bit but its because the barrel extention is a smaller inside diameter than the pistol barrel. Mine chopped paint with the barrel on and shot great without. Also all the problems quoted above were not present on mine, I got mine about two years ago and sold it recently. Never had to change an o-ring or co2 peirce seal or anything. They definately got rid of a lot of the problems that plagued the original version. Plus its cheaper that the SA-17 and infinately more reliable!
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:02 PM   #9 (permalink)
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So Rap4 T68, Zeus or SA-17?
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Old 01-22-2013, 07:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I have a older T68 and the only problem I have had with it is the 12g seal, but the safety oring from a Tippmann set fit in there and has stayed for a long time. I only use a extended barrel when I use the 20rnd mag, as it helps stabilize the mag. I use a large bore spyder barrel so it does not cause many breaks.
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