Mech ION

duckman · 07-18-2007, 06:41 PM

Hey I'm just wondering if anyone else thought it would be worth the time to make a mechanical ION?

pizzaluvr · 07-18-2007, 07:02 PM

I believe there was a post on here about an autococker Ion.... Try searching for that.

duckman · 07-18-2007, 07:08 PM

Ok i guess i should have follow a few link first (I hate links) before i post a question. And i tried searching for mechanical Ion with no results. Anyway I built one on the exact same principal as ZDS paintball link shows a under the thread The Ion i want. So I suspose this thread has no where to go.

FeedTheDogg · 07-18-2007, 07:08 PM

the post entitiled "The ion i want" directly underneith yours in the smart parts forum has that and details of that inside. Take a look, someone out there did it, and i really want one

lol, posted at the exact minute as the post above me, you beat me!

sdawg · 07-19-2007, 12:15 AM

I would like to build the mechanical Ion for fun one day, but how does the 4-way valve mount in the grip frame?

Cowboy · 07-19-2007, 10:43 AM

[ ZDSPB.com ] - ZDS Paintball look under tech articles and find my gallery it shows almost how to build a mechanical ion and it even has videos

edit heres the link

ZDS Paintball - My Markers - Mechanical Ion

sdawg · 07-19-2007, 12:32 PM

Is there a diagram that shows how the internal hoses from the four way connect to the chambers in the body?

duckman · 07-20-2007, 04:17 PM

In mine the hoses all go inside so from the outside it looks like a standard ION. I went by to see a CNC machinist friend of mine this morning to go over my design for a four way that limits the dwell. and when finished it should be a stock replacement with new trigger so it will drop in to any ION with no modification of the factory grip frame or breach/firing can and should allow the use of after market body kits with no modifications. I'll see about getting picks ASAP so you can see how I'm doing it all.
Duck out

xluben · 07-24-2007, 01:56 PM

coincidentally i just made a mech ion. i based mine off Ydna's (from
[ZDSPB.com]) but made some changes. mine's totally internal and cannot
be detected visually at all. i simplified his design and ran all hosing inside
the gun. instead of a 4-way to control "dwell" (like you mentioned) i used a
bolt with dual tail orings so it seals the firing chamber. therefore when you
pull the trigger the entire firing chamber is always dumped, therefore i'm
running my pressure near 140psi and still getting 280's fps.

here's a thread on it:

my mechanical ion project (pics) - PbNation

if you don't read the whole thread i shot it all day on co2 and got about 900
shots from a 20oz with no problems (no breaks at all). just adjusted the
trigger last night and now it's walkable (vid on second page of thread).

further plans may include a 'cocker style LPR before the 3-way to lower the
pressure holding the bolt back. should get less kick, better efficiency, and
lighter trigger pull, but may slow down cycle time a bit.

Havocx · 07-24-2007, 05:31 PM

maybe you could try a fabco air MSV-2. Thats what most Pneumags are running for lighter trigger pull. My pull on my pneumag is only 2-3 mm. Now you guys have me looking for a broken Ion which with my hatred for SP Ill have to rename something else.

Link to MSV-2

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duckman MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 45	Mech ION Hey I'm just wondering if anyone else thought it would be worth the time to make a mechanical ION?

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sdawg MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,410	I would like to build the mechanical Ion for fun one day, but how does the 4-way valve mount in the grip frame? __________________ Everybody: Let's ease up on the red loctite, 'kay? Thanks. Feedback

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sdawg MCB Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,410	Is there a diagram that shows how the internal hoses from the four way connect to the chambers in the body? __________________ Everybody: Let's ease up on the red loctite, 'kay? Thanks. Feedback

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07-18-2007, 07:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
pizzaluvr Nazi-Treasure Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,834	I believe there was a post on here about an autococker Ion.... Try searching for that.

07-18-2007, 07:08 PM	#3 (permalink)
duckman MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 45	Ok i guess i should have follow a few link first (I hate links) before i post a question. And i tried searching for mechanical Ion with no results. Anyway I built one on the exact same principal as ZDS paintball link shows a under the thread The Ion i want. So I suspose this thread has no where to go.

07-18-2007, 07:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
FeedTheDogg Active Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Carlsbad, CA Posts: 392	the post entitiled "The ion i want" directly underneith yours in the smart parts forum has that and details of that inside. Take a look, someone out there did it, and i really want one lol, posted at the exact minute as the post above me, you beat me!

07-20-2007, 04:17 PM	#8 (permalink)
duckman MCB Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 45	In mine the hoses all go inside so from the outside it looks like a standard ION. I went by to see a CNC machinist friend of mine this morning to go over my design for a four way that limits the dwell. and when finished it should be a stock replacement with new trigger so it will drop in to any ION with no modification of the factory grip frame or breach/firing can and should allow the use of after market body kits with no modifications. I'll see about getting picks ASAP so you can see how I'm doing it all. Duck out

07-24-2007, 01:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
xluben Active Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 137	coincidentally i just made a mech ion. i based mine off Ydna's (from [ZDSPB.com]) but made some changes. mine's totally internal and cannot be detected visually at all. i simplified his design and ran all hosing inside the gun. instead of a 4-way to control "dwell" (like you mentioned) i used a bolt with dual tail orings so it seals the firing chamber. therefore when you pull the trigger the entire firing chamber is always dumped, therefore i'm running my pressure near 140psi and still getting 280's fps. here's a thread on it: my mechanical ion project (pics) - PbNation if you don't read the whole thread i shot it all day on co2 and got about 900 shots from a 20oz with no problems (no breaks at all). just adjusted the trigger last night and now it's walkable (vid on second page of thread). further plans may include a 'cocker style LPR before the 3-way to lower the pressure holding the bolt back. should get less kick, better efficiency, and lighter trigger pull, but may slow down cycle time a bit.