Curious - Does anyone have an animation of how the SP1 anti-chop bolt works?

Surestick · 04-06-2008, 07:34 PM

One of my friends just bought one and him & another friend were playing around with it daring each other to put a finger in the breech and fire it.
Luckily they chickened out and settled on using a carrot, the end of which was chopped off and fired out the barrel.

I'm curious now to see how this thing is supposed to work.

Edit:
On a related note: Where have I seen a video like these before? YouTube - SP-1 and Vibe Tongue Demo
YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Low Force Bolt

Grivooga · 04-06-2008, 10:38 PM

I don't know but I find the carrot anecdote interesting. I wouldn't think that a gun based on the ion platform would even be able to do that. I know I like to screw with the kiddies at the field with the finger down the feedneck bit. I've yet to see any gun, even cheap blowbacks, that would do actual harm- maybe pinch but not actually hurt.

You may want to ask over on the Tinkering Tech forum. There are a few guys over there that work intimately with ion internals and have expressed interest in the SP-1 and Vibe.

Surestick · 04-06-2008, 10:44 PM

I wouldn't want to put my finger down the feed neck of a mag w/the level 7 bolt & I've heard the Invert Mini has quite a bit of force behind the bolt.

Party of A-5 · 04-06-2008, 10:45 PM

Oh that's funny because I was just about to post- it doesn't.
Work, that is.
Someone needs to get a mag with a level 10.

And looking at the SP-1 manual makes my head hurt.
All it says for anti chop system is "low pressure bolt"
Huh?

Grivooga · 04-07-2008, 06:48 AM

Mini's only hurt if your fingers forward in the breech and the bolt gets moving before it hits you. If your finger is back against the bolt (doesn't need to be pushing) it pushes against your finger pretty good but nothing really happens. Very similiar to an Ion, my cocker, or most blowbacks. Now nice high-end guns like my Cyborg just "chuff" and the bolt hardly tries to move.

PhileyOFish · 04-10-2008, 09:30 PM

This is the response I got from Sean after asking him on PBnation:

"Very simple. The solenoid can only exhaust so quick. Which is slower than the ION. And it makes the bolt cycle slightly slower as well. That is how it does it. With a QEV, you can make it cycle faster with an aftermarket board, but you will lose the benefit."

Grivooga · 04-10-2008, 11:30 PM

So basically it's no more anti-chop than a regular ion. It's just slightly less likely to pinch the ball in the first place because it cycles slightly slower. Lame marketing BS.

Jackson · 04-10-2008, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grivooga

So basically it's no more anti-chop than a regular ion. It's just slightly less likely to pinch the ball in the first place because it cycles slightly slower. Lame marketing BS.

I don't know, he stuck his tongue the breach in one video. No matter how they achieve it, it does work.

PhileyOFish · 04-11-2008, 12:40 AM

Yup, it definitely works.

pizzaluvr · 04-11-2008, 12:54 AM

Was the carrot frozen in liquid nitrogen by any chance? I guess it would shatter then..

04-06-2008, 07:34 PM	#1 (permalink)
Surestick Seasoned Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 528	Curious - Does anyone have an animation of how the SP1 anti-chop bolt works? One of my friends just bought one and him & another friend were playing around with it daring each other to put a finger in the breech and fire it. Luckily they chickened out and settled on using a carrot, the end of which was chopped off and fired out the barrel. I'm curious now to see how this thing is supposed to work. Edit: On a related note: Where have I seen a video like these before? YouTube - SP-1 and Vibe Tongue Demo YouTube - Vibe & SP-1 Low Force Bolt __________________ Current markers: Automag powerfeed left. PGP w/some Palmer's love WDP Angel Speed 03 (bought for $100 & in need of some love (read: money I don't have) thrown it's way ) Sheridan Piranha LB PMI-III Spyder Victor-II "Now is no time to be making new enemies" - Voltaire (When asked on his deathbed by a priest to renounce the devil and turn to God.) Last edited by Surestick; 04-06-2008 at 08:29 PM.

04-06-2008, 10:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Grivooga Rec Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 60	I don't know but I find the carrot anecdote interesting. I wouldn't think that a gun based on the ion platform would even be able to do that. I know I like to screw with the kiddies at the field with the finger down the feedneck bit. I've yet to see any gun, even cheap blowbacks, that would do actual harm- maybe pinch but not actually hurt. You may want to ask over on the Tinkering Tech forum. There are a few guys over there that work intimately with ion internals and have expressed interest in the SP-1 and Vibe. __________________ Feedback Clinton, Tampa Bay Ground Pounders, Blitzkrieg Paintball - Lutz, FL Tactical 06 Cyborg, Karni Pump, E2'd Odyssey o3m, and coming soon- Automag RT

04-06-2008, 10:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
Surestick Seasoned Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Posts: 528	I wouldn't want to put my finger down the feed neck of a mag w/the level 7 bolt & I've heard the Invert Mini has quite a bit of force behind the bolt. __________________ Current markers: Automag powerfeed left. PGP w/some Palmer's love WDP Angel Speed 03 (bought for $100 & in need of some love (read: money I don't have) thrown it's way ) Sheridan Piranha LB PMI-III Spyder Victor-II "Now is no time to be making new enemies" - Voltaire (When asked on his deathbed by a priest to renounce the devil and turn to God.)

04-06-2008, 10:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Party of A-5 Atheist Chaplin Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oakville, ON Canada Posts: 1,708	Oh that's funny because I was just about to post- it doesn't. Work, that is. Someone needs to get a mag with a level 10. And looking at the SP-1 manual makes my head hurt. All it says for anti chop system is "low pressure bolt" Huh? __________________

04-07-2008, 06:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Grivooga Rec Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 60	Mini's only hurt if your fingers forward in the breech and the bolt gets moving before it hits you. If your finger is back against the bolt (doesn't need to be pushing) it pushes against your finger pretty good but nothing really happens. Very similiar to an Ion, my cocker, or most blowbacks. Now nice high-end guns like my Cyborg just "chuff" and the bolt hardly tries to move. __________________ Feedback Clinton, Tampa Bay Ground Pounders, Blitzkrieg Paintball - Lutz, FL Tactical 06 Cyborg, Karni Pump, E2'd Odyssey o3m, and coming soon- Automag RT

04-10-2008, 09:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
PhileyOFish Active Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 120	This is the response I got from Sean after asking him on PBnation: "Very simple. The solenoid can only exhaust so quick. Which is slower than the ION. And it makes the bolt cycle slightly slower as well. That is how it does it. With a QEV, you can make it cycle faster with an aftermarket board, but you will lose the benefit."

04-10-2008, 11:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
Grivooga Rec Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 60	So basically it's no more anti-chop than a regular ion. It's just slightly less likely to pinch the ball in the first place because it cycles slightly slower. Lame marketing BS. __________________ Feedback Clinton, Tampa Bay Ground Pounders, Blitzkrieg Paintball - Lutz, FL Tactical 06 Cyborg, Karni Pump, E2'd Odyssey o3m, and coming soon- Automag RT

04-11-2008, 12:40 AM	#9 (permalink)
PhileyOFish Active Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 120	Yup, it definitely works.

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