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Old 01-12-2011, 04:37 PM   #9021 (permalink)
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Shame shame. I understand your "no preorder rule" but I saw this as a better bet. It's an actual company and they came through with the Havok.

Month and a half now.
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You should have posted up that you were having issues. At least Metadyne has the gun prototype made.
Agreed, they do at least have a good track record. Still, I foresee there being quite a few on the market when people realize they aren't for them. I'll likely snag one of those up.

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What pre-order was the one that burned you Deuce? I've seen a few fall apart recently and even more that have dragged for months (and then there is the H8er) so I don't think I would fault anyone for having that type of rule.
Mine personally was the 2k11 Micromags, but there are quite a few more that you didn't mention. My new policy is to not let money leave my hands unless there is a finished product.

All to often these days promises are made that can't be kept. When I got in on the MM deal I thought they had already been prototyped. Boy, was I wrong.
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Old 01-12-2011, 04:54 PM   #9022 (permalink)
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I feel ya. I had worked with a certain Airsmith before he did a major pre-order build. That's been since '08. Thought it would he here by now.

Hoping Metadyne doesn't drop the ball, but at least there is a prototype and they seem to be pretty far along with it before the opened the pre-order.
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Old 01-12-2011, 04:59 PM   #9023 (permalink)
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Mine personally was the 2k11 Micromags, but there are quite a few more that you didn't mention. My new policy is to not let money leave my hands unless there is a finished product.

All to often these days promises are made that can't be kept. When I got in on the MM deal I thought they had already been prototyped. Boy, was I wrong.
After seeing how these things affect people who take money and then can't deliver I decided to opt against doing a pre-order for the Phantom kit I'm doing. If people like them, I can't imagine they wouldn't sell. But if life gets in the way and I have to spend time away from the boards, I'd like to be able to come back without issue as opposed to being greeted with pitchforks.
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Old 01-12-2011, 05:07 PM   #9024 (permalink)
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I think we can all understand life getting in the way. There comes a point in time when that excuse in no longer acceptable though. Especially in certain cases where it is thrown like a flag in a Steelers game.

I won't mention names but everyone knows what I'm referring. Take example "A" he takes a bunch of money for work. Disappears and years go by with no product delivered. "A" comes back, delivers a couple items then takes money for sales so he can pay for more shipping. "A" disappears again taking more money and leaving the original customer and the new customer without the agreed items/work.

That IMO is crap and there's no excuse. Life can knock us for a loop at times but as a man I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I tried to pull some nonsense like that.

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Deuce, I agree with you 100%. Sad part, I fall into both groups of customers of "A".
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Deuce, I agree with you 100%. Sad part, I fall into both groups of customers of "A".
I know, sorry bro.

IMO, those 'smiths that fall into that category should be locked out of the BST until they have made good on their deals.

It would take every part of me to not make a road trip.
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Because, as Mel pointed out in their sniper rifle thread, it's against their policy to pre-order anything. It's not like they have a hard time selling stuff.
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I have a friend that works in 2 machine shops near UCF- he's a mechanical engineer. I've tossed around ideas with him to make bolts and rails. Everything was extremely easy to make- he built it all on solid works for me but the initial cost was hundreds of dollars. I'd have to make 50 pieces and sell them for $30+ to have it pay for itself. All I wanted was 5 pieces for me, John and a few to sell for whoever else wanted one. It's not worth making unless you want a $300 bolt.

It's easier to buy what's already available. It's easier to buy than it is to sell now.
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