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Old 01-11-2011, 11:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Spyder barrels are cheaper because nobody wants them.
so you would rather pay 100 plus for a dye ul in cocker thread vs a 30 spyder threaded barrel??? they are the same barrels bud. just differnt thread.
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Old 01-11-2011, 01:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Obviously you missed the point.

Nobody wants the barrels because they're spyder threaded. Nobody want the guns because they're spyder threaded. Nobody wants spyder threads. Why? Because in today's market, it's against the grain of a player-initiated standard.

If this is the only gun you have, or if you have a collection of spyder barrels rotting in your basement, then you're obviously unaffected. Everyone else, who is collecting new markers, is looking for autococker threads. Because every other new gun on the market comes with autococker threads. And every modern barrel worth having is available with autococker threads.

Once you've got a few guns that meet the standard, it's a kick in the 'nads to have to spend an extra 30 bucks for a barrel for some gun that you can hardly buy parts for in the states.

Keep in mind that it's still 90 bucks for the good stuff. (DW.)
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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alpha434,

While I am not an engineer and wasn't there when they decided to make the markers spyder threaded, I'm sure they had their reasons.

The current situation is that we have 3 different Sterling models available + Sovereign + our most popular marker the Inferno which outsells all the rest combined. All of them are Spyder threaded.

Having said that, please consider the following - One of the reasons I petitioned Painthappy to get this forum started is so that we can establish a place where Sterling owners or people interested in getting one can come and share experiences and talk about their beloved pump markers. This is I think is the right step forward in re-establishing the Sterling pumps in the american market. It's not the first nor the last, but it moves us closer to the goal we have - To make the gun as popular as it can be and to provide a positive customer experience to as many people as humanly possible.

Making significant changes to the current generation of Sterlings is not possible for production and financial reasons. We can potentially make certain adjustments to them, but we have to consider all the implications that come with them, on all levels: manufacturing, warehousing, providing customer service, having dealers stock replacement parts and potential of future sales.

Please bear that in mind.
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Also, AC threading actually doesn't have a standard. Bud Orr forgot to make one.
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Also, AC threading actually doesn't have a standard. Bud Orr forgot to make one.
Simon presented one that Kee is essentially going by for markers, but there are still barrels with a pretty big range in sizes on the threads.
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Also, AC threading actually doesn't have a standard. Bud Orr forgot to make one.
That's ok. Kee's got you covered with a public standard dated 2009.

Whoops. Desert beat me to it.

Anyway, Janek... You hit the nail on the head in the last sentence of your first post.

Saleability. In the US market, AC threads are sellable. Spyder isn't. I have the feeling that Sterling made an arbitrary choice when they picked spyder threads. And it was arbitrarily the wrong choice, unfortunately.

That arbitrary choice shows EXACTLY what this thread is about. Sterling is not in touch with the american market. I'd like to help ya out.


Consider this... Where does Sterling want to compete in the American market? Entry level? Mid? High end? Niche?

In 3 out of 4 of those spots, Sterling would be going up against guns with autococker threads. The new Empire Trracer is selling pretty damn well, on the low end. CCM on the high. Custom work in the niche... A lot of that is autococker threaded. Or brass. The Sterling is neither.

In the mid-level? Sterling vs Phantom. A foreign, relatively unknown gun against one that has an extremely firm grasp on america's buttocks. And autococker threaded phantoms are pretty desirable for people looking to get into that area of play.

So... You tell me, Janek. You're the pro. What's the game plan? How are you going to win this thing?

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THIS.

Who the heck buys dozens of different barrels or backs anymore?
People buy a Freak-back or have a single barrel Freak-bored and they change inserts as needed.
good piont. i forgot, i have my stock freak milled. that would be a nice option from the factory as well.

and lets not forget there are cocker to spyder addaptors. i have that as well. but i preffer to have my pump barrel differnt from my electros. so i don't really use it

Another idea for the stock class. the current tube is a 10 round holder. any chance of a 15 for those that like them?

or for those that like the right/left feed an adaptor like ccm did. they already have the slider feedneck adaptor, dosent seem like it would be hard to make a sided feed one.
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Obviously you missed the point.

Nobody wants the barrels because they're spyder threaded. Nobody want the guns because they're spyder threaded. Nobody wants spyder threads. Why? Because in today's market, it's against the grain of a player-initiated standard.
i understand your piont. i just don't share it. like stated i keep my pump and electors apart. the play is differnt and so my set ups are. i only had cocker theaded barrels before my sterling. i had it freak milled. problem solved. later i found good cheap spyder barrel. like you said, no one wants them. better for us. people are going to buy new barrel reguardless of what they have. we allways have and will. i would rather pay less.

and it is a pump. you don't need a kit. small bore to stop roll outs and you are set.
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With the way the valve is installed it would be nice to add two o-rings to the part of the valve body that fits in the bottom tube and route an air channel through the body to the vert ASA and lose the side/rear fitting completely.
that sounds good for the front mount, but what about a bottom line or hawian style? it would need to split to go down the frame still.
but nice idea

more option set ups mean more possible sells and happier players
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