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Old 10-20-2008, 05:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Q-Loader?

I have had my VM68 for about 4 years before i even knew what it was cause nobody could ID it as any type of gun however since i have learned what my gun is and the type of heat it can put out i was wondering if a q-loader is a smart and simple upgrade to the traditional angle drop feed
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Old 10-20-2008, 11:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The Q-loader is nice but just remember the pods only hold 100 rnds each. So if your not a spray and pray kind of guy I say go for it.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:26 PM   #3 (permalink)
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One idea that has been on and off again is to have a custom made feed adapter made for the VM to use a Q-Loader. Remove the old feed block and then put on a more inline direct feed to goes to your loader. I'm still on the fence personally, but I bet there are more than qualified machinists that could pull something off for you at a decent price.
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Old 10-29-2008, 11:40 PM   #4 (permalink)
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If i were you i would hold off a few months before getting a Qloader set. Ancient Innovation is in transition right now and it's impossible to get in touch with them to get replacement parts. The CEO that use to also do technical support got kick to the curb already, so i would wait to see where they be with their support and life time warranty.
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Remove the old feed block and then put on a more inline direct feed to goes to your loader.
I was originally going to say that the stock detent might be a problem. It has always been a bit of a weak point for the VM, and it might not work very well for the VM, especially since the bolt sits a bit farther back then most guns.

But then you pointed out you could just replace the entire block. Then you would have no choice but to make a new detent anyway. Spring-detents are very easy to fabricate without any special tools, though you would probobly need 2 with the VM to prevent rollback.
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Has anyone actually put a Q-Loader on their VM? I've been thinking about getting one for the low profile but I've read mixed reviews on them in general. Just curious if anyone has some first hand experience with them.
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Old 12-17-2008, 12:15 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I'm pretty sure Chaos has done it.

He's done pretty much everything. You should pm him about it.

I seem to recall that he's got a Q-loaded green beaut on VMempire.com.

Good luck!
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Old 12-17-2008, 01:13 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I have put one on my VM which is full auto VM. I had to make a hammer that was 4 times as heavy as stock to make it work. Ill get pics soon. But yes the qloader will work.
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I have put one on my VM which is full auto VM. I had to make a hammer that was 4 times as heavy as stock to make it work. Ill get pics soon. But yes the qloader will work.
Yipes! You are talking about two and a quarter pounds, roughly! Did you make it out of lead? Or some less safe heavy metal?

And I don't even want to know how much gas it uses . . ..
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Yipes! You are talking about two and a quarter pounds, roughly! Did you make it out of lead? Or some less safe heavy metal?
Maybe it was 4 times as long instead? With the main spring behind the bolt, thats at least technically possible?

Azzy was able to get a 68-Special to run off a QLoader. The hammer is similar (and heavy). Both guns seem to cycle stock around 20cps, which is about 1/2 what you get from a modern blowback
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