Need foregrip advice

Darth Sparky · 06-10-2009, 01:31 AM

My VM68 is setup with a steal braid hose running from the ASA to the bottom line very much like this one. I find that I tend to hold the hose while playing. I am afraid that I will break the seal on either the ASA or the gas fitting. I also feel that this is not the most stable way to shoot.

I was thinking about getting a Lapco expansion chamber as it would look good and is relatively cheap. However I rarely run with CO2 so it would be extraneous. What do you cats think of double regulating on the VM? I used to double reg on my old Impulse but that was a low pressure marker and if memory serves my VM runs at about 600 to 700 psi.

What other options are there?

Thanks,
David

Sgt Hollywood · 06-10-2009, 01:41 AM

Could always mount a gas thru grip verticaly off the bottom material behind the asa and hold that. There should be plenty of aluminum to mount one easily enough. Or get a universal for grip that mounts to the barrel, then you'll hold that instead of the line.

Darth Sparky · 06-10-2009, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgt Hollywood

Could always mount a gas thru grip verticaly off the bottom material behind the asa and hold that. There should be plenty of aluminum to mount one easily enough. Or get a universal for grip that mounts to the barrel, then you'll hold that instead of the line.

I wonder how much material I have left there after my exc mod. I used the largest drill bit that I could find at the time. I think it was about 1/2". I think I still have a gas through grip left over from my Impulse.

Sgt Hollywood · 06-10-2009, 02:14 AM

Maybe add an adapter that allows the gass thru grip to screw into the ASA at a 90 degree.

Jordan · 06-10-2009, 06:57 AM

Double regging - not a good idea. You'll end up starving the VM. To double-reg properly, you need at least a spread of 200 psi between regs, and you won't be able to do that, since the VM needs at least 700psi to operate.

If you're handy with a drill and tapping holes, you could always installed a vertical adapter into the lower tube of the VM - get a Minicocker vertical adapter, drill and tap a 1/8NPT hole. That would allow you to install a vertical grip of some sort.

Something I might do, I'm not decided yet. I really like the Black Rain EXC I've got on there now.

BTW - PPS sells an adapter like someone mentioned, that allows you to run a tank or gas-thru grip/reg at 90* from the ASA. Could always get that, and avoid any permanent mods to the VM.

Jordan

Anonymous Coward · 06-11-2009, 09:58 AM

I the only 90 ASA adapter that I know of is the Cooper-T and the Palmer version and Cooper-T is no longer with us. Though Cooper-T parts are floating around or collecting dust at local paintball shops. The Palmer one is {gulp} $50! All other 90 ASA's that I have seen are machined for the specific model of marker and the male end is not ASA threaded.

I bet a pipe clamp, mini-ris rail, a folding grip, and a bit of imagination and you could have the best of both worlds. A horizontal and a vertical grip.

Darth Sparky · 06-11-2009, 12:50 PM

Thank you for the reminder about double regging. I had forgotten that you need a 200 psi spread. It is all coming back to me. I haven't played in something like 6 years.

I am handy enough with a drill and tap. I should have a 1/8NPT size tap around too. However I would like to mill out a flat section on the bottom of the marker, around the 1/8NPT hole, to mate better with the flow through grip and I have no idea how to do that. Drilling dead center on the bottom of the marker would be a challenge too.

Wait a 1/8NPT fitting is about 1/4" (eyeballed) across right? They are the standard hosing for paintball markers? I just noticed that PPS carries both 1/4 and 1/8 NPT. I also noticed that they have a male to female 1/8NPT extension. That would give me the clearance I need to mount my flow through grip to my 90 degree fitting that is connected to my ASA adapter.

About PPS. I would love to order some stuff from them, including ball detents/magic fingers, but cost of shipping from them to Canada is criminal! How can they get away with charging $24 USD for shipping of a magic fingers?

Thanks,
David

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan

Double regging - not a good idea. You'll end up starving the VM. To double-reg properly, you need at least a spread of 200 psi between regs, and you won't be able to do that, since the VM needs at least 700psi to operate.

If you're handy with a drill and tapping holes, you could always installed a vertical adapter into the lower tube of the VM - get a Minicocker vertical adapter, drill and tap a 1/8NPT hole. That would allow you to install a vertical grip of some sort.

Something I might do, I'm not decided yet. I really like the Black Rain EXC I've got on there now.

BTW - PPS sells an adapter like someone mentioned, that allows you to run a tank or gas-thru grip/reg at 90* from the ASA. Could always get that, and avoid any permanent mods to the VM.

Jordan

Jordan · 06-14-2009, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Sparky

Thank you for the reminder about double regging. I had forgotten that you need a 200 psi spread. It is all coming back to me. I haven't played in something like 6 years.

I am handy enough with a drill and tap. I should have a 1/8NPT size tap around too. However I would like to mill out a flat section on the bottom of the marker, around the 1/8NPT hole, to mate better with the flow through grip and I have no idea how to do that. Drilling dead center on the bottom of the marker would be a challenge too.

Wait a 1/8NPT fitting is about 1/4" (eyeballed) across right? They are the standard hosing for paintball markers? I just noticed that PPS carries both 1/4 and 1/8 NPT. I also noticed that they have a male to female 1/8NPT extension. That would give me the clearance I need to mount my flow through grip to my 90 degree fitting that is connected to my ASA adapter.

About PPS. I would love to order some stuff from them, including ball detents/magic fingers, but cost of shipping from them to Canada is criminal! How can they get away with charging $24 USD for shipping of a magic fingers?

Thanks,
David

PPS can charge whatever they want for shipping since they're the only ones who carry the parts.

1/4 NPT and 1/8 NPT are vastly different threads. Yes, the 1/8 NPT is what paintball fittings usually are, and they're roughly 1/4" in diameter.

Got a picture of the setup?

Jordan

06-10-2009, 01:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
Darth Sparky Newbie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Calgary	Need foregrip advice My VM68 is setup with a steal braid hose running from the ASA to the bottom line very much like this one. I find that I tend to hold the hose while playing. I am afraid that I will break the seal on either the ASA or the gas fitting. I also feel that this is not the most stable way to shoot. I was thinking about getting a Lapco expansion chamber as it would look good and is relatively cheap. However I rarely run with CO2 so it would be extraneous. What do you cats think of double regulating on the VM? I used to double reg on my old Impulse but that was a low pressure marker and if memory serves my VM runs at about 600 to 700 psi. What other options are there? Thanks, David

06-10-2009, 01:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Sgt Hollywood ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC	Could always mount a gas thru grip verticaly off the bottom material behind the asa and hold that. There should be plenty of aluminum to mount one easily enough. Or get a universal for grip that mounts to the barrel, then you'll hold that instead of the line. __________________ Sgt. Hollywood's feedback Mini collection Old School VM68 Mag with PPS Stab, dual bottle (rear and slant. Ported valve and Starfire Bolt (alum), tweaked springs & Lapco Cocker adapter. Pneumatic Design Storm Oddball marker but fairly accurate. Phantom 6",11 & 14"" DanW .45 Grips SC hori feed now VSC, Shoed up. PGP Blinging, Classic AutoMag (mini) "Tactical" custom, Trracer Rifle in the works, 2k+VF WGP cocker, 2 Trilly Pump "Sniper" conversions, 3 Trracers

06-10-2009, 02:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Sgt Hollywood ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: NYC	Maybe add an adapter that allows the gass thru grip to screw into the ASA at a 90 degree. __________________ Sgt. Hollywood's feedback Mini collection Old School VM68 Mag with PPS Stab, dual bottle (rear and slant. Ported valve and Starfire Bolt (alum), tweaked springs & Lapco Cocker adapter. Pneumatic Design Storm Oddball marker but fairly accurate. Phantom 6",11 & 14"" DanW .45 Grips SC hori feed now VSC, Shoed up. PGP Blinging, Classic AutoMag (mini) "Tactical" custom, Trracer Rifle in the works, 2k+VF WGP cocker, 2 Trilly Pump "Sniper" conversions, 3 Trracers

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06-11-2009, 09:58 AM	#6 (permalink)
Anonymous Coward Active Member Join Date: Jul 2007	I the only 90 ASA adapter that I know of is the Cooper-T and the Palmer version and Cooper-T is no longer with us. Though Cooper-T parts are floating around or collecting dust at local paintball shops. The Palmer one is {gulp} $50! All other 90 ASA's that I have seen are machined for the specific model of marker and the male end is not ASA threaded. I bet a pipe clamp, mini-ris rail, a folding grip, and a bit of imagination and you could have the best of both worlds. A horizontal and a vertical grip.