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Old 05-19-2007, 10:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Cocker troubles

I have a late 98/ early 99 cocker that I can't get working right. What is happening is when i gas it up the back block goes to the open position and stays there( then leaks some gas) when you push it forward it will go but will not stay.

Any thoughts? I appreciate the help cause I know little about cockers and would like to learn.
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sounds like the 3 way hoses are backwards
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Old 05-19-2007, 02:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks guys will have to check that out.
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It could also just be mis-timed. If the 3-way is far enough off, you'll get the same result.
What happens when you pull the trigger? If the answer is "Nothing" or "leaks out the 3-way" then I bet it's mistimed. If the backblock shoots forward, then the hoses are wrong.
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Agreed... hoses or 3-way mistimed.. everyone covered that already.
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Old 05-21-2007, 11:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Okay two of the three way hoses are in the wrong spot. How do you get them off the three way? They have the little brass top hats on them, when I do get them off will I need new hose?
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Okay two of the three way hoses are in the wrong spot. How do you get them off the three way? They have the little brass top hats on them, when I do get them off will I need new hose?
Use a small screwdriver to slide the tophats up the line and then just grab the line and pull along with a little bit of wiggling. If you need to use needle nose pliers try to be gentle since the edges can cut into the line and ruin it. For stuff like this if I need the extra grabbing power I like to use round nosed needle nose pliers.

In a pinch (get it? pinch? ) you could try a set of snap ring pliers if the pins close up enough to grab the line. Or if you have a Dremel you can make your own line pulling pliers from a small cheap set of needle nose pliers by grinding and then polishing off the teeth and sharp jaw edges. You only need to do that over the first part of the tip for about 1/2 an inch so the rest can still be used for other things.
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Old 05-21-2007, 01:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Thanks For the info on how to get the lines off.

I have switch the lines and is still doing the same thing( without the leaking) Now when I push the back block forward it will go. If I pull the trigger it will fire. Should I reset the timming? or should I check anything else?

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You can also slide the hats up with the pliers...just use them as a sort of claw like removeing a nail will a hammer. The hose should just pull off with enough force. Or if they are long enough you can snip them off and then cut the tiny piece left over with a razor blade.

Before you attempt to swap hoses around though try this. Loosen the first set screw on the timing coupler(the one closest to the trigger). Gas the gun up. Make sure the trigger is forward all the way and while holding the rod forward in the trigger plate slot push the coupler all the way back onto the timing rod. Your back block should snap shut. That should align the 4-way. It sounds like your 4-way is off just enough.


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