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Old 02-13-2013, 10:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Repairing a Cocker body?

Alright, I just ran into an issue which I'm sure people have encountered before. I just got a pretty nice full bodied, undrilled Orracle in a trade, and gutted it for a possible anno job. Unfortunately I noticed the rear frame screw on the body was almost stripped, and I just finished it off I've been watching ebay for more bodies in good shape, but everything is either Mini'd or drilled for eyes. Both of which I would like to avoid.

I don't really want to helicoil it, I'd like to go with something a little more durable. Anyone ever try one of those stainless steel treaded inserts that ASP sells for something like this? I'm pretty sure the 8-32 inserts are the same thread as the normal hole, and I think they're short enough avoid interfering with the hammer.

Next question. I'm not well versed when it comes to anodizing. But I am pretty sure that stainless won't take to ano like aluminum does. Is this something I should do before having the body done, or after?

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Old 02-13-2013, 10:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I was reading over the Tribal Owners Group regarding stripped screw repair earlier today. Those stainless inserts seem to be the preferred method.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It will not take anno at all it will most likely dissolve in the tank. if you can get away with it you could just tap it for the next size up (12-24 i think) your only other realistic choice would be a helicoil. un realistically you could weld it up and re drill and tap it.
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I have not used the inserts you are talking about. I have only used the helicoil which work great. As for the anodizing it will only take to the body, you need to put that insert in after it gets back or they will just take it out. The size of the back screw in the grip frame is 10-32.
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It will not take anno at all it will most likely dissolve in the tank. if you can get away with it you could just tap it for the next size up (12-24 i think) your only other realistic choice would be a helicoil. un realistically you could weld it up and re drill and tap it.
I had a feeling it wouldn't take, but I didn't think stainless steel would just dissolve. At that rate I'd rather just get the anno done, and then worry about repairs. It'll be covered by the frame anyway, and I like the peace of mind with stainless.

I was incorrect in my first post though. (EDIT: Rage beat me to it) The correct thread size is 10-32 from what I can see. I would just tap it for the next size, but my set goes from 10-32 up to 1/4-20. A little too big I think. The downside is the insert is .200" or about 5mm, and that's quite a bit too long. I may have to just suck it up and go buy a bigger tap set.
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drill it/tap it for 10-32 CCI Thread Insert.
(yes what ASP sells)

insert after Ano.

i can do it for ya.... i have the tap that is used for it too

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I had a feeling it wouldn't take, but I didn't think stainless steel would just dissolve. At that rate I'd rather just get the anno done, and then worry about repairs. It'll be covered by the frame anyway, and I like the peace of mind with stainless.

I was incorrect in my first post though. (EDIT: Rage beat me to it) The correct thread size is 10-32 from what I can see. I would just tap it for the next size, but my set goes from 10-32 up to 1/4-20. A little too big I think. The downside is the insert is .200" or about 5mm, and that's quite a bit too long. I may have to just suck it up and go buy a bigger tap set.

If you decide to drill and tap the next size up, be sure to check the hole size on your trigger frame. You may also have to drill the trigger frame the next size up too.

I would suggest heli-coil or insert, so you don't have to drill the trigger frame.
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Drill for the next size up. you might have to go two sizes up. i can not remember. then find the material you want to use either stainless or aluminum cap head screw or set screws. insert material in predrilled hole and lock-tight it in place. then drill out the center with the correct size.
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It's an easy and very common fix.

I use standard Heli-Coils in most cases. There's no real difference between a Heli-Coil and the insert style ASP sells. Same idea, same results, take your pick. Just keep in mind the metal is fairly thin- if you're buying the parts, make sure the installed length is correct. Most basic prepacked "installation kits" come with inserts too long for the body, and would have to be cut down.

Basically, once properly 'coiled or inserted, I've never had any trouble with them again.

In the case of the body being anodized, it's pretty simple; drill and tap for the 'coil/insert, send the body off for anno, and once it's done, then install the insert of your choice. Easy-peasy.

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