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Old 05-20-2013, 11:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Arrow Karni Pump Questions & Appraisal

I am new to cocker pumps, this is my second one which I bought used. I've always loved the milling work to the Karni's body so when a trade deal came my way I had to jump on it. If anyone can tell me what exactly is on this i'd appreciate it.

I was told it has the following, but i would like to know for sure.

Mini'd Karni Body
Dye Slider Frame
CCM Pump Kit
Shocktech Bolt

I can see that it has a CP ASA and a Shocktech Reg.



I'll take some better pics tomorrow this is the only one I have at the moment.

The other thing is, if I were get all ccm parts, would it shoot as good as a T2. I shot one of those at a scenario and I fell in love with it immediately so i'm torn between upgrading this and just getting a CCM T2.

A realistic resale value minus the DW Barrel and Tank, the previous seller had it listed at 500 but i feel like that was high.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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looks like you got what he said... ccm delux mini pump kit, mini'd karni, some kind of slider frame (the dye ones have the dye logo on them somewhere). Realistic value I would say 350-400 without hte barrel and tank
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Old 05-21-2013, 10:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You didn't exactly get taken for a ride. Karnivor snipers aren't that rarer but they're not exactly commonplace either. I also wanna say about 400. The price is right to the right person.

It's not going to feel like a t2. The tolerances are considerably different. But that doesn't mean it's a bad shooter.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Value about 400.

If you use a CCM frame and CCM internals it will feel darn close to a T2 or any CCM gun. You will not be able to use the CCM hammer and IVG because of the karnivor ICS system, unless you drill out the back block and use a standard cocking rod. When I got mine the back block was drilled out and I used full CCM internals on it. I have recently replaced the back block, IVG and Hammer to stock karnivor and it shoots the same.

You will have to switch out the frame and get a drilled pump arm and a Auto trigger cam arm if you want it to have Auto Trigger like a CCM does.

Cost to get it close to equal to a T2 about $212 in parts plus shipping.
CCM frame $88
CCM internals $66
CCM mini pump arm drilled for AT $20
CCM Auto trigger cam arm $38

Pic of my Karnivor below to see what I'm talking about.
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Old 05-21-2013, 03:03 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks for all the responses. I appreciate all the info Biggs
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Old 05-28-2013, 12:03 AM   #6 (permalink)
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do any of you know if i can add the $38 ccm autotrigger kit onto this frame?

also does anyone have a video or link to show me how to do a tear down of the internals? i put some oil in there and the oil came out on the cocking rod black so i want to know if i can clean that or just not to bother.
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:52 AM   #7 (permalink)
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If the pump arm is drilled for AT then you should be able to use that kit.

To remove the ICS: remove hte bolt, cock the pump handle then let it forward about half way, if you look at the cocking rod there are two flats (meant for a very small open ended wrench), lefty loosey..., then unscrew the back block. Now, if you have the IVG tool insert it and remove the IVG, if not (I didn't) use a small allen key in the holes in the IVG to turn it until it comes out. If you google Karnivor ICS system it has many images of how it looks in line
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ok so i was able to remove the ivg and out came a white plastic piece and the spring. the cocking rod and everything else is still in there and it wont come out. can that stuff come out also? i didn't want to force anything and break it.
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:37 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Your frame actually looks like the older style thin CCM frame, to me anyways, anyone else? If so, a CCM auto trigger should just slap on in there
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Old 05-28-2013, 08:42 PM   #10 (permalink)
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here are some crappy cell phone pics of the grip


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