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    First AutoMag

    I tinkered around briefly with someone's Mag the last time I was at the field and now I kind of want one but have absolutely no idea where to begin. The little I know is that there are about 15 million different upgrades available, which doesn't help the situation. I'd like to keep the form factor as close to a more modern marker as I can- vertical feed, longer spacing between grip & foregrip if possible, standard ASA mount- but past that sky is the theoretical limit. Well that and budget. Not in a hurry to buy, just trying to get in some research and figure out where to begin.

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    #2
    A ULE body will give you vertical feed and Autococker threads, but run about 120 and up, even used. A Doc's barrel adapter will give you 'Cocker threads on a stainless body for 40 bucks. An X-valve with a high input pressure yields light weight and a high rate of fire, but you're looking at 250 and up for the valve. I'd start with a 150 dollar complete Classic, Doc adapter, foregrip extender (there's some out there), and a 12v Revvy. A Level 10 bolt will eliminate chops, but I personally don't use one on a classic valve, because I haven't needed it. Between the ULE body and the X-valve, the Classic loses about 3 pounds, but they get spendy.

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      #3
      Will they run on a 400-500 PSI tank? I don't currently have anything setup for more than that.
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        #4
        You dont need a lvl 10 to prevent chops. Keep it simple and get a classic valve, lvl 7 and a different bolt is another way to go about it. Have fun and go wild with just customizing It cosmetically and make it your own.

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          #5
          Originally posted by cellophane View Post
          Will they run on a 400-500 PSI tank? I don't currently have anything setup for more than that.
          The conventional wisdom is that mags like high pressure. I would run a high pressure bottle straight to the valve (no foregrip regulator). X-valves and RT valves really rip if you get an adjustable bottle reg that can put out 1000+ psi.

          That being said, I don't know for sure if you'll actually have issues with 400-500psi. Try it & find out? Can't really hurt it by doing so.

          As for modern "upgrades", I concur with the above. A ULE body & X-Valve are where it's at, but they're pricey. The ULE body is more important of the two IMO. The Classic & Minimag valves are plenty good, as is the LV7 bolt. LV10 bolt is nice, but they require tweaking. So I agree with MrKittyCatMeowFace on this. I'd keep it simple & use it for a bit first & determine what you really want for it.
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            #6
            About a year and a half ago I was in the same spot you are. Scored an absolute steal on a x valve minimag and basically went about replacing everything except the x valve

            That said here's what I ended up with



            I do think the prices above are a little high. Here is where I would value the stuff on mine

            X-valve (come with lvl 10 bolt) $200 used
            Intelliframe -100 used
            ULE body -$100 used
            Luke's armada 9.1 rail with Anno $90ish new
            Trigger $35 new, luke's
            Vertical ASA RTpro $35 new (luke's)
            Cp shorty forgrip (like $50 used, rare and expensive)
            Cp asa and drop, $60ish

            So like $650ish when is all said and done.... Expect I'm not done.... Because it's an amazing platform and I absolutely love it

            I've heard mixed things on running them on lower pressure, just aim for high pressure and you can make life much easier

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              #7
              Here are a few good starting points for you


              $175 for the marker, I'd skip on the barrel

              But it's a classic center feed body that's cocker threads. The only real down side is it doesn't have a threaded feedneck

              https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/top...ink_source=app


              ULE mag with a ptp frame. I don't know much about the frame but being a double trigger is a good starting point.

              https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/top...ink_source=app


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              Last edited by Trbo323; 11-07-2020, 06:19 PM.
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                #8
                Will they run on a 400-500 PSI tank? I don't currently have anything setup for more than that.
                No, it won't. Not remotely reliably anyways. The classic and RT/X-valve can cycle as low as 600-650, but the ideal starting point is 800-850psi tank pressure. If you have an old adjustable reg or Ninja SHP, you can really make the RT/X-valve sing with higher input pressure, but it's not necessary.

                If you want a mag with the ergonomics of a modern marker, be prepared to spend the money unless you get lucky and stumble on a good deal. It's faaaar cheaper and easier to get an old powerfeed mag going.

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                  #9
                  As already mentionned you can start with a classic automag for $150 to $200 and upgrade some of the component or buy all the parta separately (superman have a pile of misc parts)

                  Front grip:
                  - front grip extension to use with a classic rail ($25)
                  - longer rail like Luke's or other (all depend your budget but around $100)

                  Body:
                  - ULE vert feed body ($100 - $125)
                  - vert feed body ($60 Superman have 1 I think) and Doc adaptor for cocker thread ($40 new from doc)

                  ULE or tac one body are really nice and are lighter option


                  Any idea of budget?

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                    #10
                    Who was it that bought the bulk of the ?CCM? center feed cocker threaded fleet mags?
                    Last edited by un2xs; 11-07-2020, 08:49 PM.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Alexndl View Post
                      - longer rail like Luke's or other (all depend your budget but around $100)

                      Body:
                      - ULE vert feed body ($100 - $125)

                      Any idea of budget?
                      Who is Luke?
                      Any good places to look for a body? Or is it pretty much BST lists & ebay?

                      No budget currently- just trying to get some info and start figuring it all out.
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by cellophane View Post

                        Who is Luke?
                        Any good places to look for a body? Or is it pretty much BST lists & ebay?

                        No budget currently- just trying to get some info and start figuring it all out.
                        http://lukescustoms.com/index.html

                        Enjoy

                        As for bodies, really cones down to your budget and what you want. If you are looking for a agd body, BSTs are probably the best. Private lable bodies, there are a handful of new ones out there still including luke's. If you can afford it I say start with a ULE body because any rail that works with a ULE chances are will also work with any aftermarket body as well.

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                          #13
                          Automags.org
                          much of the read up on mags on MCB is gone, AO is mostly dead but huge amounts of required reading. Also Tuna has Emag valves that’s a nice between of a classic and X valve

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                            #14
                            Yeah AO helped me out a lot. They still have a decent amount of traffic. If anything I think it's picking up with mechanical markers coming back into play

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                              #15
                              Also check AGD website

                              My pic for this build would be
                              rail
                              http://www.airgundesigns.com/product-p/001168.htm
                              or luke
                              https://lukescustoms.com/rail.html

                              Body
                              http://www.airgundesigns.com/product-p/001880.htm
                              You can add Nummech feedneck amd use a lock feed

                              Frame lot of choice but I like this one
                              http://www.nummech.com/prod_item_nma...inglemech.html

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