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  • Siress
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    Completely subjective, as Grendel said. Here are my opinions of the frames I've used:
    CCI stock 45deg grip frame - I actually hate it. Something about the feel of it is uncomfortable and messes up my aim.
    RTR frame from the first batch of gargoyles - used on the gargoyle and on my modified phantom: thought it was great. It has a noticeably different angle on the bottom, relative to the frame, so your muscle memory will be thrown way off.
    Indian Creek Designs 45deg frame I found in a parts bin - Hands down my favorite by feel. It has Indian Creek engraved down the back of it. I don't know what it is about this thing, but it feels amazing and has been a part of my primary rig since ~2005.

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  • Paintzapper
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    I actually didn't get the 3D printed K-Frame adapter, but threw on my own AR Hogue grip instead. Super cozy grips and just feel right in the hands, highly recommended. Now I am running the CCM phantom grip so I can run an L stock for some extra stability.

    As to 3D printed parts in general, I am highly abusive with my paintball gear and after replacing some of my spring feed parts a few times, I asked Apoc to hook me up with some MJF Nylon parts from a vendor I like to work with. They were 2-3 times the price but have yet to break on me.

  • Grendel
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    Very subjective, I have tried 86* frames several times on several different markers and end up getting rid of them and going back to 45 frames. In particular I went the RTR route for my Duckslide and find it quite nice with the extra milling (backstrap), dust finish (rough textrue0 and hump makes gripping my frame "easier". This is kind of like I am anon-Glock user (owned several over the years) nothing wrong with them just never got comfortable with them in my hand. That being said I often recommend Glock as a starting point for a new shooter, nothing wrong with them just not my personal preference. The same with 86* frames I love the idea and quality of them they just don't work for me.

    As Cunha, you really can not go wrong with the stock AR style grip. The frame is designed for them so ergonomically one of the best setups and there literally is a plethora of grips with subtle differences to them that you can fine tune a grip that fits you best.

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  • Chuck E Ducky
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    86* with the palm swell aluminum grips 👌🏼

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  • Chuck E Ducky
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    I like the CCM 86* frame the best especially with the thumb relief aluminum panels.

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  • Menso
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    I’ve no experience with the RTR frame, but I’ve got plenty of experience with the CCM + Hogue combo and it’s a night and day difference.

    Just picking up and holding a stock Phantom is more “annoying” than “uncomfortable” but during a game? In those moments that you’re holding and waiting for that perfect shot the stock grip REALLY grates on me. So, if that sounds relatable, either the RTR or the CCM would probably be a worthwhile upgrade.

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  • Bleeds
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    The slight hump in the RTR frame makes it much more comfortable than the stock CCI frame. The Metadyne grip frames are pretty nice as well if you have a bigger hand. Not much of a fan of the CCM 86. As mentioned it's thin, even with Hogue rubber on it.

    I've had good luck with using Dye sticky grips on the stock .45 frame. The wings on the back keeps the hand from choking up high on the grip.

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  • Diomedes
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    I'm just worried about the durability of printed parts. I'm kind of tough on my gear on the field, don't want to make a hard landing and have two grips instead of one. But other than that...I think it's Paintzapper with the real beefy Hogues on an Apoc setup. That looks real nice.

  • Cunha
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    I've had all of them but none of them make the phantom more comfortable than the stock frame. Mostly they just make it look different. The one worthwhile update is if you use an ASA on the bottom and want it flat, either an adapter or a frame that has a bottom parallel to the barrel is a good way to go.

    All of the discomfort comes from trying to use a .45 style block on an m16 style trigger assembly. The trigger assembly doesn't mesh well with the web of your hand and is awkward in general compared to a proper .45 frame. I would much prefer a big block, and then a regular .45 frame on the bottom more like a lapco or a carter.

    Still, when I'm playing the game it doesn't really make a difference, its just one of the few design elements of the phantom that I think could be significantly improved (but it would reduce versatility!) so it would be a wash..so it should stay the same.

    I used a hogue m16 grip with the rubber piece that extends and makes the grip flush with an M16. It needs to be cut a little bit to fit on the phantom, but that was a real ergonomic improvement, but it doesn't facilitate bottomline mounting.

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  • Rusty Brass
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    Yes to both.

  • flyweightnate
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    Hogue CZ grips fit on the CCMs, right? Might make them less thin...

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  • Rusty Brass
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    I love my CCM frame. If they were still available for $50-75 I'd put one on every Phantom I own. The RTR frames are a distant second place. The stock 45 frame will do if that's all I've got.

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  • pghp8ntballer
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    You could also source a Sergison humpback frame. They are similar to the RTR frames but are harder to find. I don’t know if Dan Sergison is still offering to make them. I have one and it’s very nice! I’m saving it for a special occasion but I don’t know what that is yet...

    i have 2 CCM 86 frames. I like them because they are small/thin. They just feel nice. But if you can’t get one for ~ $90 new or in excellent condition, then totally not worth it. Anything higher than that is fanboy territory. I’m actually shocked how inexpensive the RTR frame is.

    I’ve never used an RTR frame but they look great and I’ve never heard a bad thing about them.

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  • Jonnydread
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    I love the Apoc K-frame. Toss some Hogues on that sucker and point and shoot. I have a CCM frame on my side saddle Phantom and I haven't used it in game yet, but I'm not sold on it, like others are alluding to it's a bit thin.

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  • KingxSlinky666
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    I bought the RTR grip and am happy with it, I like the swell on the backstrap a lot more then stock. I also needed a grip with less of an angel on the asa for mounting my stock.

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