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    LTR or Spire IR?

    I'm looking for a new hopper. I've always run with eggys so its definitely time for an upgrade. Should I get the LTR or the Spire IR?
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    If I was going to get a new hopper today it would be the LTR. I still use my rotor I purchased new when they first came out 06-07 ish maybe. The LTR is basically the same thing as my Rotor without the useless windows. It’s the striped down version of the new hopper without all the stuff you will never use in real life. Do you really need a hopper that tells you when to reload or hooks to your phone that you should have left in your car. I get it sells stuff but that’s all stuff that makes these hoppers crazy expensive for no reason.

    I was never impressed with the spire hoppers. But I know a lot of people like them. Feed Fingers where out and you can’t get a decent speed feed for them. The new speed feeds that can’t take a shot from a paintball and are specifically designed to be a replaceable so they can sell you the feed over and over. I’m still using a the same speed feed from 10+ Years ago. My spire friends are replacing there’s regularly when they get run down or take a bad shoot to the top of the hopper.

    I really like the Pinocchio Speed it feeds fast enough and has an amazing field of view from behind + it takes standard universal speed feeds. Only real downside to the speed is it don’t fit on fat feednecks. But they way the hopper sits on a marker it’s like it’s not even there. Seriously try one, they are really nice hoppers!
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      #3
      I just ran my new Spire IR2 for the first time today. My only comparison is a Valkin VSL ( switch) & Revy . I like it I'm happy with the purchase. Think it was Black Friday paintball had a deal promotion you get the ir2 and a free spring ramp for $120. Honestly you can't go wrong with either of your two choices.

      The Virtue Spire with infrared (IR) break-beam sensor loader technology, jam-proof feeding system, tool-less design that can be taken apart and reassembled in seconds and a strong durable nylon back shell.

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        #4
        I have a Spire IR and original Rotor. They're both great, but I really like the BK speed feed for the Spires. So the IR gets more of my attention.
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          #5
          It depends on what you want or are willing to put up with. The LTR is more durable (as Rotors typically are), faster, and are built better. But they’re among the heaviest loaders on the market. Makes your marker top-heavy. But if you’re used to an Egg then it shouldn’t be too bad. The Spire IR is built well, though not as well as the LTR in my opinion. I don’t like their rain lids- more specifically how they open. They also don’t include a spring-loaded floor plate like the LTR does (sold separately). I think they’re a bit softer on paint though, so it may be better if you regularly shoot brittle paint.

          Overall, both are good options but it depends on the little things like weight, speed feeds, how it handles paint, etc. For what it’s worth I like the LTR. I don’t usually shoot super brittle paint, I like the LTR rain lid better, and they include the spring-loaded floor plate while keeping it slightly cheaper than a stock IR. Not necessarily a better performer with brittle paint, but it’s a better value IMO.
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            #6
            I've had the chance to use them both side by side and would say it depends on exactly what you are looking for.

            Personally, I like my setups to be as light as I can make them nowadays so the IR was a no brainer. However, installing a speedfeed and spring ramp made it a good deal more expensive when compared to the LTR. The standard lid that the IR comes with blows donkey balls, I hate them and they hate me. So in my opinions it is speed feed or don't even bother buying.

            If you want simple, durable, and just friggen lasts the LTR is the way to go. My little cousin has been using his for 2 or so years and absolutely loves it. It may be a little heavier when compared to the IR but it is a beast of a hopper.

            Personally, I haven't noticed any issues when running both with brittle paint. They get the job done and load paint faster than I can throw it.

            So for me it comes down to what do you value more, weight or durability?

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              #7
              You can adjust the amount of torque the rotor puts on paint super easy. Batteries seem to last forever. I have one of those Cheap exalt speed feed fingers you sandwich between the cover and hopper top it keys into lil pins in the rotor lid. I used the first one I got for like 10+ years. I Ripped it after forever and they sent me a new one for free no questions asked. I feel like every day someone at the field is buying fingers for the spire speed feed. Often buying a complete new speed feed lid because they sell out of replacement fingers all the time.

              They are Heavier nothing noticeable tho at least not for me. Maybe I’m just use to it.

              Also people who say the Rotor jams never change there batteries. I’m convinced of that. The Rotor won’t tell you when it’s batteries are dead it just starts to jam. They also last forever so people forget the last time they put batteries in it. I usually change them out before an event just to make sure. But Lithium Ion batteries in a rotor will last like 3/4 of a season no joke.

              I don’t think you can make a bad choice with the LTR or IR but I would definitely go with the rotor after my previous experience with dye hoppers.

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                IR

                I have an original (or possibly gen 2) rotor, ran it for years and years. I ran into a few issues with it, mainly that it wouldn't feed reballs, like, at all. And I got a little tired of the capacity, basically having to run it basically dry in order to fit a full pod in it

                When it came time to go hopper shopping I settled on a spire 3. My brother in law also needed a hopper and didn't have the budget that I did so he got the IR. The two are very comparable.

                One of the big things that I didn't think about until I got my spire is the rotor keeps constant tension on the feed stack. This isn't a problem most of the time in a game but what happens between games or in long pauses is that stack can become deformed, each ball becoming oblong or dimpled. In a bad case this means a chop at the beginning of your game.

                I would absolutely say IR after owning a rotor. You can upgrade the IR if you want down the road. If you want a speed feed I suggest going with virtue. Yes they are expensive but I honestly feel they are the best ones out there. All the rubber ones seem to start sagging over time.

                I do think the LTR is a good hopper, I just think it's outclassed by the spire

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                  #9
                  I love dye and I love the rotor but the ones I used would occasionally jam and my other hoppers did not. I would have to recommend the spire, even though I hate that brand.

                  I keep hoping dye or empire will come out with a new rotor or prophecy that gets lighter to meet todays low BPS requirements. Both the prophecy and the rotor were designed around high BPS games that are no longer being played. The spire is too slow for those games and would have been considered a garbage can hopper in the rotor / prophecy era, but for low bps stuff it is lighter and holds more and more reliable especially than the rotor.

                  Right now the spire is the best.

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                    #10
                    I really like my IR. It’s basically all I use on semis.
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                      #11
                      So everyone here makes really good points. I may be leaning towards the more durable LTR. Im clumsy. Feed speed really doesnt matter too much as all my local fields are 15 bps anyway, and I'm switching to mech so I use less paint. My local field is FPO and they use valken Graffiti which is as hard as TuPac, and I'm super OCD about shutting down my hopper in between matches anyway. The best thing about the LTR is I found a package that comes with a 68/45 tank which I need anyway. I hate using the dirty rental tanks. Thank you all for your input.
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                        #12
                        I think you will be more then happy with the LTR it’s a big upgrade over the Eggy. Just battery life and being able to pul the thing apart without tools is super nice. They work really good on all the new mech markers to.

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                          Originally posted by JeeperCreeper View Post
                          , and I'm super OCD about shutting down my hopper in between matches anyway. .
                          Unless you get the paint out of the feed stack, the hopper will still have tension on it even though it's off. Just a FYI

                          O, also, chances are you won't encounter this for years but it's worth keeping an eye out for, if you notice the power button light start to blink on and off while the hopper is feeding, your board is likely dying. Mine kicked the bucket in the middle of a big game. Apparently it's a known issue but new boards are not all that expensive so it's not a huge thing but worth replacing the board before it completely dies on you

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                            #14
                            LTR is beefier but more jammy. Both are excellent and before the spires got popular rotor guys scoffed at me big time when i told them I don’t like rotors because they jam.

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                              #15
                              What markers will you be using this loader on? What kind of field paint does your field use? Is it typically good and consistent quality, or is it all over the place? If you are using an Autococker or other semi-auto closed-bolt marker, and if your paint is typically decent, then the LTR is probably the best choice. The Spire will handle shoddy paint better, but may not work as well with closed-bolt systems.
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