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    Inception Designs Fang Trigger

    After participating an a couple threads regarding Emeks and 'entry level' guns in general, I came to realize I was not alone in being underwhelmed with my stock Emek (EMF100) trigger. I figured I'd give my thoughts on what many consider to be the premier aftermarket trigger for this series of guns.

    I chose to purchase the ID trigger primarily for the attention to detail Simon describes went into this in his installation video (minimalist, screws oriented for minimal binding on the switch, flat, leverage). I also bought this for the reputation ID has for quality, and the fact that it hasn't had the QC issues I've heard about the Infamous trigger (everything from stripped screws, sharp edges, and not being cut for the trigger spring to tool marks out of the box). These issues have supposedly been fixed, but the ID trigger is a couple bucks cheaper anyway. There is also the Emach trigger, which is half the price of the ID trigger, but it lacks an activation adjustment screw (which is half the point of these trigger upgrades imo), and also may not work with aftermarket switches.

    Of course, the trigger I got had damage to the anno around the bottom two screws, and a bit of damage to the threads of the middle screw (which wouldn't have affected performance anyway). I don't know if this was an apprentice's doing or if Simon was having a bad day, but the baggie it came in hadn't been opened before, and it didn't appear to have happened in transit. After contacting the retailer, I got a partial refund in an amount I deem to be appropriate. A tap solved the issue of the threads, and I plan to get an anno touch up/automotive paint pen to touch up the rest. Once it was installed however, you can hardly notice the marks unless there's direct light on it.

    Installation was easy. Pin goes in one way, and has a chamfered end and a knurled end. It also includes a lighter trigger spring (something I don't know is included in the other kits) so you don't have to go tearing apart pens or buying kits for a new one. Without air on the gun, this spring makes the trigger walkable, and the trigger is smooth.

    The pre travel screw in mine isn't necessary, as no matter the position it's in, it always has no slack when the safety is on. Adjustment was easy. I adjusted mine to have a little bit of travel before the trigger breaks, and a bit of post travel as well. Coming from sear tripping guns, and actual firearms, I like a trigger pull with stages. This adds pseudo stages to what was before a mushy trigger pull. While there is not really a change in pull weight depending on trigger pull status, you can gauge more accurately how much longer it is until it breaks. For some reason, the trigger does feel a bit heavier now. I don't think it is, and it's probably because I no longer have any inertia built up before the trigger makes contact with the switch. The trigger might be walkable if an aftermarket switch is installed. I personally have no interest in that, as this gun is meant for woodsball, and very rarely do I find myself needing to rip ropes, or playing any kind of speedball format. I think PE OEM stuff will be more reliable anyway.

    The few gripes I have with this trigger are obviously the damage I had to deal with initially, and the lack of colours. The gloss black is nice and goes with anything, and the gloss red trigger goes very nicely with any of the black bodies, but that is it.

    Overall, based on what I've heard about the other triggers, I do think this one is the best. If you want the fancy milling, lasering and colours, or your local store only stocks the Infamous trigger and not ID stuff, go ahead and get it. It'll probably be fine, but it will cost you a bit more. If price point is your deal, then the Emach is for you. You will be sacrificing some major features however. The review is a bit long for what it is, but I hope I've helped some of you.

    Lastly, if you're looking at the Emek as a mech gun with nice shot quality; I wouldn't recommend it, even with this. I'd recommend a used classic Automag. IMO the ID trigger brings the Emek's performance in line with what an Automag is stock in that regard, but the Emek setup is 3-4x more expensive than a used mag. If you're looking for modern features and the ability to reliably rip paint without tuning, then I'd say the Emek is up your alley.




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    Last edited by Toestr; 04-02-2021, 03:31 PM.

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    Thank you for your review, I was debating on getting the fang for my Emek. I opted for a Stanchy Race trigger.

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      #3
      Nice write-up. Bummer about the annoying anno chip. Glad ID worked with you. Bold move recommending an Automag Classic in 2021 =P

      To that end, I had a mag project I started in 2004 and did not finish til like... 2018. And unlike other cocker projects that have sat on the shelf just as long, the mag gassed right up and was good to go with a little tuning, all the seals were still good. Which is great since I wouldn't want to hunt down all those internals nowadays.

      One note on the Emach, I think if you don't plan to use a hair valve and just want some adjustment options around post/pre travel it's a killer deal.
      Last edited by ford; 04-02-2021, 09:32 AM.

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        #4
        Originally posted by ford View Post
        Bold move recommending an Automag Classic in 2021 =P
        Agreed. I know it may not be the MCB way, but I really can’t recommend an Automag these days. My Emek has sidelined both of my Mags for the past several years to the point where I’ll probably end up putting them all up on the block. Everything my Mags can do, my Emek can do better.

        As for the Emach trigger, I use one myself and I can say that it does make a significant difference over stock (even without the additional adjustment point). In fact, I’ve actually had to tone things down a bit in some games for fear of breaking DBAD rules with it. So, while less expensive, it’s still a very capable upgrade.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Brandon View Post
          Thank you for your review, I was debating on getting the fang for my Emek. I opted for a Stanchy Race trigger.
          I forgot all about the Stanchy triggers. While I'm usually a proponent of 3D printing and plastics in general on paintball guns, the idea of a 3D printed trigger doesn't inspire the most confidence (on a mech gun anyway). I'm probably overreacting though.

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          • Brandon
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            I replaced the stock valve spool with the bag switch, and since I did that on the cheap (vs the DW valve) I figured id do the same with the trigger. honestly its a solid "feeling" trigger but its to easy to defeat the safety since the trigger is plastic it just pushes right past it with enough force

          #6
          As for the Automag recommendation I'll stand by it (for my purposes anyway).

          Yes, if you need to rip long streams of paint easily and reliably, and have modern ergos in whatever format you tend to play, the Emek will be the one for you. In woodsball, you can get away with improper form much more easily, and I'm doing 3-4 rd bursts max. I also prefer the tight old school ergo.

          For maintenance and stripping, I'd say they're about equal. Yes, Automag rebuilds aren't going to be as common, but you need it how often? Every 5 years? Maybe every 2 if you play often. At the rate I play, I can get away with every 10 years.

          Personally, I wouldn't recommend either of these guns to a beginner as a first gun.

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            #7
            Great review! I am wondering if due to Covid ID is scraping the bottom of their barrel with parts. They’re running out of parts and putting out whatever they have. My ID pump kit was not in great shape either. Hopefully it’s just a temporary blip with ID parts and not a trend. Thankfully the retailer was good to me as well in issuing a partial refund due to the condition. So I’ll happily continue to use the retailer and ID parts, I may just double check the condition before buying.
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              Originally posted by Cdn_Cuda View Post
              Great review! I am wondering if due to Covid ID is scraping the bottom of their barrel with parts. They’re running out of parts and putting out whatever they have. My ID pump kit was not in great shape either. Hopefully it’s just a temporary blip with ID parts and not a trend. Thankfully the retailer was good to me as well in issuing a partial refund due to the condition. So I’ll happily continue to use the retailer and ID parts, I may just double check the condition before buying.
              Who'd you order from? I know there's not too many ID dealers in Canada. I got mine from Maier Hardware.

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                Same. Only vender in Canada. They were great to deal with. I’ve order other things with no issues at all.

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              Was thinking about getting a Fang trigger. Thank you for the write-up.
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                #10
                I have had both of the Infamous triggers in my Emek. The first run was pore quality. Adjustment screws threads were blown out milling was ruff with sharp edges. However after emailing them with my grievances they sent me a new one free of cost. The one I got to replace it was from a 2nd run and was finished a lot better. They definitely did not increase trigger pull strength and were a really nice upgrade over the stock non adjustable trigger. I’m definitely happy with the 2nd trigger they sent me. I sold my M170R after getting the infamous trigger I liked it so much.

                Im not sure where you are finding mags cheaper then an Emek Mags have skyrocketed in price. They are also gas hogs. The efficiency alone make the emek a much smaller lighter overall package hands down. As for reliability I got one of the first emeks available when they came out. I beat the breaks off mine and haven’t done anything to it since it was new other then clean it. It’s never let me down ever.

                I probably would have went with the Inception trigger if it was available at the time. Just because I really like Inception products. But I’m very happy with the newer Infamous trigger I got.

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                  #11
                  Originally posted by Chuck E Ducky View Post
                  I have had both of the Infamous triggers in my Emek. The first run was pore quality. Adjustment screws threads were blown out milling was ruff with sharp edges. However after emailing them with my grievances they sent me a new one free of cost. The one I got to replace it was from a 2nd run and was finished a lot better. They definitely did not increase trigger pull strength and were a really nice upgrade over the stock non adjustable trigger. I’m definitely happy with the 2nd trigger they sent me. I sold my M170R after getting the infamous trigger I liked it so much.

                  Im not sure where you are finding mags cheaper then an Emek Mags have skyrocketed in price. They are also gas hogs. The efficiency alone make the emek a much smaller lighter overall package hands down. As for reliability I got one of the first emeks available when they came out. I beat the breaks off mine and haven’t done anything to it since it was new other then clean it. It’s never let me down ever.

                  I probably would have went with the Inception trigger if it was available at the time. Just because I really like Inception products. But I’m very happy with the newer Infamous trigger I got.
                  I got a freshly rebuilt basic beater Automag about 6 months ago for $145 CAD. If I were to compare it to a stock Emek, I vastly prefer the Mag.

                  Like I already said, if you're playing tournaments or play formats where trigger speed, weight, efficiency and profile matter, yes the Emek is the winner. I play rec woodsball 90% of the time, and to me, it seems like many of the members here are in a similar boat.

                  To me, it seems that the build quality, reliability and ease of maintenance on both are equal. Stock, the Emek is better suited to shooting quickly without worrying about chopping, while the Mag has a better trigger and shot quality (imo).



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                  • Chuck E Ducky

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                    You got a great deal on that mag. New mags are like $450+ in the States.

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                  While I can still appreciate an Automag, I wouldn’t consider the Emek to be primarily a tournament marker as implied. In fact, PE build them specifically for use as field rentals and as a solid entry level option for new players. They are effectively the modern equivalent of a Tippmann 98. They are absolutely a woodsball marker, albeit one that can still complete with other modern designs.
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                    They weren’t built as rentals but entry level guns more generically.

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                    #14
                    I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative. I knew I held an unpopular opinion when I posted this, and it's hard trying to make my point without sounding that way.

                    Anyway, like I mentioned in one of the threads regarding rental and entry level guns, I don't really like these for either.

                    My main criteria for good a rental gun is a) runs at tank pressure (no reg/proprietary seals to rebuild, b) ease of basic maintenance (bolt removal, getting at high failure parts), and c) streamlining parts (one oring size). To me, the Emek has too many orings of varying sizes. Sure it will chop less and last a long time between rebuilds, but for the near capacity high volume days, turnaround time is huge. With an Emek you'll need to take time to think and troubleshoot. With a stbb that takes all tank orings, you can have whatever kid working there clean and relube the top and hammer portion of the bottom tube in a minute without having to think about it. And as a field owner, you can just buy a couple thousand 90D urethane tank orings and be good for the year.

                    I also think the Emek is a bit expensive and complicated for a kid or someone with no experience with tools. You have no idea how many kids I see go into local shops for basic maintenance because they bought a mid to high end gun (or even a Tippmann) and didn't expect to need to maintain it. Hell, for the first year I owned my Tippmann, I had no clue how to maintain it, and even when I did I didn't know how it worked for a couple years after. I just knew how it went together.

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                    Last edited by Toestr; 04-02-2021, 05:08 PM.

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                      #15
                      Those are my thoughts. Jack may want rental fleets to run emeks but the design isn’t rental friendly

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