The surprising turn of testing events.

[Shoggoth]

Hey MCB, first glad to see the site back up again. I have missed it. Now some might remember I was going to test the efficiency of the Stock Trilogy valve vs. The Palmers valve vs. the Inception designs valve. Well after putting the Gun together with the ID valve, which was going to be the first one tested the gun wouldn't cycle. I bought a new main spring and used every valve spring out of a 4 piece spyder spring kit, nothing would allow it to cycle. after trying to remove the valve the cup seal was completely stuck. I lubed the entire tube along with the cup seal and reassembled, to no avail. The cup seal simply wouldn't move. meaning that the Inception designs valve was non functional (at least for me). Since I'm fairly confident in saying the Palmers valve is more efficient and over all better than the stock valve. Im saying that the Palmers is the winner.

[MrKittyCatMeowFace]

The cup seal simply wouldn't move. meaning that the Inception designs valve was non functional (at least for me). Since I'm fairly confident in saying the Palmers valve is more efficient and over all better than the stock valve. Im saying that the Palmers is the winner.

Love it

[Shoggoth]

Love it

I actually really hate that the ID valve wouldn't function at all. I really wanted to see how the two still retail available valves stacked up to one another. not to mention that the ID valve was like 24 bucks more expensive lol

[Super69ur]

When you installed the valve... did you screw the retaining nut in tight?

it’s not supposed to be tight. It’s supposed to float and allow the air pressure to self-Center the valve to align it. Just put the retention plug screw in just past flush.

[Shoggoth]

When you installed the valve... did you screw the retaining nut in tight?

it’s not supposed to be tight. It’s supposed to float and allow the air pressure to self-Center the valve to align it. Just put the retention plug screw in just past flush.

I did, just barely in. everything I tried ended in the same situation. the cup seal stuck and having to be dislodged. its not the seal wasn't entering the valve, its that it wouldn't move at all, in or out of the valve, or even in the tube itself. I had to use a 5/16 long Allen wrench to force it out, I mean really force it out even after greasing up the tube.

[Super69ur]

Was the cup seal moulded incorrectly, so that the “fins” are too wide for the Inner diameter of the body tube? If so, trim the edges.

if it’s hung up in the valve body, perhaps the oring on the shaft (if there at all) should be removed.

[Super69ur]

There has to be a reason why the seal is stuck. It shouldn’t be because the valve body is kinked or misaligned if what you mentioned is the case.

[Shoggoth]

It seemed to be the fins. The valve itself came out perfectly fine. the cup seal was like it was glued in. I considered trying to cut the fins, ultimately I decided against it. basically for two reasons. 1, for the purpose of the test itself I felt having to modify it compromised its results, not everyone would or could cut them the exact dimensions I would. Which would render the test moot. and 2, if it is simply a problem with the trilogy body (something I have no way of testing on its own), then if/when I get another Cocker if I wanted to use the valve it could be ruined. So I decided not to alter it, If I pick up another cocker and it slides right in no problem, I know it was the Trilly, if it doesn't work in that one either then I know its the cup seal.

[Super69ur]

Okay awesome.

I can say with 100% confidence that the Inception is the most efficient 11/16 valve out there.

yes. I’ve tried them all.

[Shoggoth]

Okay awesome.

I can say with 100% confidence that the Inception is the most efficient 11/16 valve out there.

yes. I’ve tried them all.

I'm not doubting you, my test was purely which valve is the most efficient and best specifically in a Trilogy. If at a later time I can get the ID valve to work I will do the test the way I intended and have hard numbers of comparison. Until then, it is what it is.

[latches109]

Okay awesome.

I can say with 100% confidence that the Inception is the most efficient 11/16 valve out there.

yes. I’ve tried them all.

to me the inception valve looks like a copy of AKA tornado.. 🤷♂️ My favorite 11/16 valve is CCM, quiet and consistent.

[Super69ur]

The CCM 11/16 is just their 9/16 with a bigger housing to lock it into a 11/16 bore lower tube.

I mean, I agree with you, but it’s not an “11/16 valve”. It’s a 9/16 valve with a bigger housing.

great valve, tried tested and true, with an everlasting valve seal. But you miss out on the performance capability of a larger cross-section.

[flyweightnate]

The Trilogy has a long, narrow tube in front of the valve to help keep the long spring from buckling. It's terrible for valve swaps and so on.

I installed an Empire valve in mine recently, and it seemed to work ok. It certainly needed that reg way lower than the stock Sport valve I had before.

[cfos00]

Okay awesome.

I can say with 100% confidence that the Inception is the most efficient 11/16 valve out there.

yes. I’ve tried them all.

This. It's the most efficient valve I've ever used, and it's not close. And I too have tried pretty much everything under the sun.

[the_matrix_guy]

+1 Very interesting.