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    Favorite regulator setup?

    I gave up on 12 grams long ago, but with Splattttttts memorial game coming up - which requires 12 grams - I am curious if there's been a clever solution to regulating these things without losing a ton of efficiency.

    Some of the products I've seen and wonder about are:Conceptually, I'd prefer the valve body be the regulator. I've only see Palmer do that with the stabilizer, and it was so long that I'd crack my lens trying to play with it.

    So what do you guys do for adding a regulator to your VSC?
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    #2
    Both of the options you listed are far and away the easiest and lightest if you are set on running VSC, and don't want the stabalizer sticking out the back.

    The CCI one works well, but it is a little bit of a pain to adjust (shims) for setting up the first time. Palmer's CART is pain to adjust (unless they have changed something), since you have to degas to make adjustments. they are both a good bit longer than a normal bucket changer, but pretty easy to get used to.

    I have used both of those with good results. Another option if you want it at the valve body is to set it up side saddle ASA off the NPT fitting into the valve body, then you can run whatever regulator fits. Normally I have seen this done with a bottom line setup, but I think you could probably do it with a VSC if you don't use the hardline.

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      #3
      Honestly in the North East I never really felt the need to regulate a 12g we have fairly consistent temperatures throughout the day. I have one of the CCI regulators designed for the revolution however I never took the time to tune it for the lower pressure range of the reg.

      My suggestion is make sure you got some fresh silver springs on a good clean Phantom and you should be good to go.

      Also if you tune the CCI or CART use bulk CO2 you will go threw a ton of 12g trying to get it right. Phantoms love high pressure so you are basically cranking the regulars wide open for the most part. The CCI reg goes to 750psi. So it would require different springs most likely to operate on 750psi.

      I find my Phantom runs best around 800-825psi It’s way more efficient at higher pressure. I can get over 45+ shots in good conditions off a 12g. At the same time I can Pull the bucket off screw in a small HPA tank that’s set to 825psi and the marker usually is with in about 20fps of the 12g over the chrono. Without changing springs or messing with anything. It’s convenient, reliable, consistent, and efficient. Clean marker stock silver springs.

      My personal opinion it’s a waste of money unless you play a lot in extreme conditions that fluctuate in temperature a lot threw out the day. (Like the Desert)

      If I was dead set on regulating I would try and find and use the palmers valve body. With the built in stabilizer designed specifically for the phantom. Not the CCI or the Palmers CART reg.

      https://palmerspursuit.com/products/...stabilizer-kit
      Last edited by Chuck E Ducky; 07-21-2020, 10:07 AM.

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        #4
        Spyder bottomline regulator...

        It's just 12g's... never going to be NASA precise.

        It's just a Nelson... it doesn't really need much help.
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          #5
          Like others have said, if you're shooting a Nelson-valved gun it's not really going to offer much, if any, of a performance boost. It took forever for me to get my regulated Phantom setup shooting the way I like and I didn't notice any benefit at all. Arguably it could help with spikes during hot weather, but it's just as easy to just take a clearing shot. I think Phantoms shoot best in their pure, unadulterated, SC form.
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            #6
            On MCB 2.0 I Pestered Spider! more times than he would have liked to have heard from me most likely about trying to get better performance out of CO2.

            We tried some things to do with heat transfer that are honestly over my head but being an engineer you probably understand, In my terms trying to make sure that the CO2 heated consistently, not cooling down the body or lines as much as it expands. Stuff like that. Really seemed to help. We used some of his theories to great success on a Mag I had. I was able to bring it out and run some paint through it on CO2 at about 32*f with no problems.
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              #7
              I had great luck using my bolt action SNY commando with a PPS Stabilizer. Can't find any pictures left over from MCB 2.0 but I've got a video here.



              I ran the Stab at the upper range of its adjustment, probably around 700 psi. That stops spiking and improves consistency. The other thing I did was add a choke after the regulator to limit its flow and recharge rate. That stops liquid CO2 from bypassing the regulator and expanding afterwards.

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                #8
                Good tip on the choke. I'm guessing the 12gr pierce pin does this naturally with the VSC setup?
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                  #9
                  Forgive me for not having the exact measurements, they were lost in the most recent MCB apocalypse. But you can get tiny brass tubing and sleeve it to fit in microline fittings. I bought a length of the correct size tubing, and the next size up used for the sleeves to be sweated on to the ends, from a member on here.

                  You can further this by inserting a stainless steel wire through the tubing, if you feel it necessary.

                  The tiny ID regulates flow, and forces liquid to flash once it exits the tubing... in theory. I haven't set up a Nelson with this hardline, yet.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by DavidBoren View Post
                    Forgive me for not having the exact measurements, they were lost in the most recent MCB apocalypse. But you can get tiny brass tubing and sleeve it to fit in microline fittings. I bought a length of the correct size tubing, and the next size up used for the sleeves to be sweated on to the ends, from a member on here.

                    You can further this by inserting a stainless steel wire through the tubing, if you feel it necessary.

                    The tiny ID regulates flow, and forces liquid to flash once it exits the tubing... in theory. I haven't set up a Nelson with this hardline, yet.
                    I wonder if a sintered bronze filter would do the same... tuck it between the valve compression fitting and the valve itself.

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                      #11
                      I would use a WGP inline reg on the vertical asa and then put the 12 gram on the bottomline somewhere, maybe like on a lapco style T stock.

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                        #12
                        I grafted a Palmers Female onto the side...

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                          #13
                          I put CCI regs on almost all my Phantoms. Can't really tell that it improves anything other than giving me a mental edge that my shots are the truest.
                          Here are my reg-ed twins:

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