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  • Cunha
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    The complete guns that are like outside the system like a seconds or one of bills projects or whatever get auctioned every once in a while. If they dropped them on ebay they would just get swiped and resold. I think its fair enough. Additionally it allows someone to cut in line if they want a new gun direct so it wouldn't be terribly fair to the people on a wait list if they did it differently.

    Like the other posters said if you want a part for whatever their "retail" price is, email or call and you'll get it.

  • Cunha
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    I don't get the sarcasm, I was describing the fact that CCM used to have a ton of inventory sitting around wasting their money (those STO feednecks are one of them) and it is only relatively recently they've trimmed the fat. We're all more than aware that there are plenty of parts CCM makes that sell in a snap, which is the subject of this thread.

    But like I mentioned I would email them and see if they ever plan on running those STO necks again because I don't think they have made those since like 08.

  • gabe
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    I'll keep in mind how poorly autococker parts are selling when I see Dye coming out with new parts and Freeflow, Inception, and Shocktech building a business around autococker parts. I work at a company that's falling into the CCM trap and it's not parts moving slowly, it's just that it's easier to project production needs and source materials when you hold backorders, not inventory. It's the new lazy way of running a production company.

  • gabe
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    People keep talking about scalpers bidding up CCM parts but then you have CCM putting their parts up to bid and getting scalper prices. If they just set a BIN price that was the normal price plus fees/shipping I would totally understand but they're definitely playing the market for their own parts.

  • Cunha
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    The STO feedneck would be a cool thing. I don't think they have made them since whatever batch of them in like 2005 or something when the cocker market took a huge dive. Since cockers got value and people wanted those feednecks I don't think they've made em for a while. They were one of those items that CCM had in inventory in their store for about 10 years before finally selling the last one just about the day before they doubled in price.

    If you guys recall CCM used to have a ton of items in stock on their store and on ebay all the time. Carrying that kind of inventory was not good for their business and I don't see them ever having such high levels. Paintball just doesn't move as much volume as it used to.

  • Cunha
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    AKALMP has been out of stock for most of their regulators for years only just recently having stock on their website. And their price has gone from 70 dollars to 93 dollars on a regular sidewinder.

    I'm not trying to convince you though, get whatever parts you like. I'm glad that CCM is still very much in business and making the nicest crap I've seen in paintball, matched and maybe exceeded only by AKALMP vikings and excaliburs really.

  • NONOBLITUS
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    Yea I’m not really someone with CCM experience for only only owning one T2 used and have one grip frame on a Sniper. I literally called once for a part in a trigger frame that I lost and they had it in my mailbox instantly so I’m totally impressed by their customer service.

  • Chuck E Ducky
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    It’s mostly 2nds and pre built markers that they don’t get payment for that are going on Ebay. They are very picky on flaws, markers don’t go out unless it’s perfect. It’s really people paying just so they don’t have to wait.

  • NONOBLITUS
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    My only complaint is that is that they are running their stuff on eBay as ccmfactorydirect and letting their customers that would like parts bid it out of control instead of a set price on their website.

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  • Chuck E Ducky
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    I haven’t ordered recently but anytime I have emailed or called CCM has always been straight forward with lead time for products. CCM are cut above the rest in terms of quality. I don’t blame CCM for not posting stuff on there site with all the scalpers.

    It’s really simple if you don’t want to pay Scalper prices just order one new and wait. Lots of people just wait order exactly what they want and get the lifetime warranty. Most of the time of I need screws or small parts they just send them to you for free. They are always great to deal with and never had an issue in the 15+ years I have been doing business with them.

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  • AnarchicArctic
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    I sent Bill an email, 15 days later I’ve got product in hand. No complaints here

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  • gabe
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    Good to hear. I've got a couple parts I've been holding out for that CCM is the best at making (STO feednecks mainly) that I'll have to try them again about.

  • Loophole
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    I just reached out to CCM and they are making me a Pre-99 Mini Pump Kit after a few emails back and forth asking my specifications it is already in the works. I also asked about polished parts...they don't have a polisher on staff currently and have no intentions of getting one so Semi-Gloss and Dust will be the primary finishes you will see. Bill does do polished parts from time to time but they are going to be few and far between. Avoid the secondary markets and be extremely patient.

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  • gabe
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    I suppose you can argue their fit and finish is better but that's even a stretch. Their finish is on par with everyone else being available in just basic colors and in matte or simple machine tumbled finish. Tolerances...yeah they're good but not any better than others. I don't know where you're getting that they hold tighter tolerances than other companies. Their products to me are nice but pretty par for the course as far as fitment. Maybe if I examined every one with a micrometer maybe but they all fit and work the same. I will say that out of any company their parts have worked the worst for me. The bolts are loose in every WGP spec body I've tried and with no o-rings have horrendous blowback. The cocking rods are all made too long and aren't threaded down far enough to shorten them to get proper overtravel for an autococker. Feednecks are great when/if they are ever available. The on/off ASA is an outdated design as are their rails. I will grant the pump kits are a standout product but they have very little to hang their hat on as far as quality parts.

    Even AKA is a one man show but he somehow manages to keep regulators and various autococker parts in stock and on the website so you can just order them. With CCM you have to keep checking back via email to see if they ever have stock. It's just exhausting and the reason why I've given up using CCM parts despite my love for their company and my history with them.

    Don't take this as me just blindly not liking them; my first high end gun was a Series 5 pump in 2005 which I still have and all through the late 2000's and up to a few years ago I would go straight to them whenever I needed a feedneck, ASA, rail, or air fitting. But as of 2019 the inventory dried up off the website and I started getting these email responses that parts are on never ending backorder but "just keep checking back". Doesn't seem they even have a wait list or backorder option. With competition like Inception, Freeflow, AKA, and others keeping parts in stock or available through dealers I've just moved on. I still have several of their barrels but without the ability to get sizers they're useless.

    Sure, hang it all on their "quality" but I'll just get Inception ASA's and feednecks, AKA regs, and other parts which as far as I can tell are just as nice, very fairly priced, and work the same or better. Since I don't take a micrometer to the field, can't see any difference, and the gun shoots the same I'll just move on and hope CCM decides to one day come back and be competitive in the market again. The fact that every other company still makes gloss parts that match my guns is just the icing on the cake.

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  • Cunha
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    PPS and CCM are extremely different companies. I'd defend both any day but they couldn't be more different besides that they're both based in California and are paintball companies.

    Inception is out of stock on a lot of parts. I get their stock notification all the time. They sit on more inventory in general which is convenient, their parts are in moderate demand and not high demand so they've been able to keep more shelves full. In most ways they are in the same boat the main difference being inception parts are just not as nice so they aren't as popular. The price on inception parts in most cases is the same or more than CCM parts. Maybe CCM should raise their prices to reflect their premium status in the minds of consumers and they might sit on shelves longer to make you guys happy?

    These guys make stellar parts and have since day 1 and I've got armchair commandos like Milkstache "Hoping someone decent buys the company and starts making product again" give me a break.

    If CCM decided to stop making guns today they would all double in price and in two years people would be wondering why some other company doesn't step up to the plate as if producing dead nuts perfect parts is as easy as posting on a paintball forum or turning on a light switch. The economics of a paintball company are terrible and whatever CCM and any other small manufacturer has to do to keep giving me good quality parts, I'm okay with.

    It would be another matter if their quality slipped in any way, but its not the case. They're just harder to get vs rotting on shelves at ANSGear like all the cargo containers full of chinese MFG shit that the entire rest of the industry is composed of.





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