Gen E/DM3 Matrix resource

[lew]

Again, you deliver. Thanks,mate!

Thoughts on specific LPR's? The NDZ one on it has enough finish wear to detract from the overall marker's appearance, and I hate how easy it is for paint to get in through the hollow adjustment screw. Is the AKA SCM 3 still the gold standard?

[Tracker]

Not sure about everything being interchangeable. I had an early-ish Gen-E matrix LED at the same time as a DM3 and tried to swap things around for fun. I found that the bodies on the Gen-E guns that came with the early bare aluminum bolts are the same length but the front locating circlip for the bolt is further back. When trying to put a LCD/DM3 bolt in it would not seat all the way down and close inspection showed that the early 3-port bolt kit was about 1/8" shorter than the later LCD multi-hole bolt.

i had an original matrix, pewter panels and all, i never had an issue with any bolt kit fitting. and i even had a slam bolt in it at one point

ooooh, 3 port bolt.
your talking about 2 different bolts from 2 different kits, that bolt belongs to the original bolt assembly that were black with brown viton o-rings that everyone looked at as inferior to buena, buts they stopped putting those in anything by the time the LED came out they called it the "image bolt"


all of the bolts that were stock post LED were all direct copies of the Aardvark "red" bolt, and thus interchangeable

all of the add on and mod parts out there (leethal mod, C4 back cap, Freeflow bolt.. etc..) were based on the "image bolt" spec so even the evovle gold bolt can be mixed and matched if necessary

[Tracker]

LPRs are all largely based on the ANS jackhammer 2 LPR.. aardvark, PBC being the 2 most common of that style, they work fine

the gen 1 dyes were not good, the Gen2's (little round thing) made up for that

the AKA's are always good, but make sure you get SCM3 internals and a wide piston, ive had a piston try to flip before and get stuck, was not cool, the last gen SCM that was smaller is another "gold standard" reg IMO

[lew]

LPRs are all largely based on the ANS jackhammer 2 LPR.. aardvark, PBC being the 2 most common of that style, they work fine

the gen 1 dyes were not good, the Gen2's (little round thing) made up for that

the AKA's are always good, but make sure you get SCM3 internals and a wide piston, ive had a piston try to flip before and get stuck, was not cool, the last gen SCM that was smaller is another "gold standard" reg IMO

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the ANS, although one of my Cockers has one. Didn't Shocktech make an FGP for the Matrix? That's my preferred Cocker LPR. If not, the AKA on my old DM3 worked great, and I'll just get one of those.

[Tracker]

they did, but theres a reason why you dont see many of them.

[lew]

they did, but theres a reason why you dont see many of them.

That good, huh? If you happen to know why, what was the problem and why did it suck when the FGP is the gold standard for Cockers?

Thanks for your help, too.

[gabe]

I'm a big fan of the AKA SCM on my matrix. I've only just had a couple 'trixes with the AKA lpr and one with a PBC lpr and between the two they both did their jobs just fine but the aesthetics of the AKA reg are just too good. Another thing to consider is the ability to remove the breech. Apparently you have to thread out or remove completely the Palmer's Rock regs to get the breech off with the Matrix version of the Rock.

Bottom line: if you can swing it go with the AKA SCM III. If not then whatever LPR will do the job. The LPR is not the most important part of the system.

[latches109]

With Bones Jackson's legendary Matrix information trove MIA and him unwilling to do anything about it, is there another resource out there? Mainly looking for an o-ring and troubleshooting guide.

Bones sent me all the info, I am rebuilding the site

[lew]

Bones sent me all the info, I am rebuilding the site

That is most excellent to hear. Good luck with the process.

[lew]

I'm a big fan of the AKA SCM on my matrix. I've only just had a couple 'trixes with the AKA lpr and one with a PBC lpr and between the two they both did their jobs just fine but the aesthetics of the AKA reg are just too good. Another thing to consider is the ability to remove the breech. Apparently you have to thread out or remove completely the Palmer's Rock regs to get the breech off with the Matrix version of the Rock.

Bottom line: if you can swing it go with the AKA SCM III. If not then whatever LPR will do the job. The LPR is not the most important part of the system.

I'm with you on the aesthetics. I think a long LPR looks good on a Cocker, but the SCM looks the best on the Matrix, and it performs exceedingly well.

[Tracker]

That good, huh? If you happen to know why, what was the problem and why did it suck when the FGP is the gold standard for Cockers?

Thanks for your help, too.

i guess that is all subjective, i dont recall ever hearing that about the FGP outside of shock techs own marketing. you do know that FGP stands for, right?

anyways, as the story goes (im paraphrasing here)
the shocktech LPR was the first hoseless LPR to market, someone was doing a victory lap about it to the person from aardvark
aardvark said "its a crap design, my design is coming, but you should have waited"
first event after both regs were out the guy who was gloating was in line waiting for a trinity.. because the FGP did exactly what aardvark said it would (bad recharge)

[lew]

Lulz. As much as I like Shocktech, and most of their wares are solid, they've released some dogs. I can't remember what FGP stands for, though I do remember it being something vulgar.

[gabe]

ooooh, 3 port bolt.
your talking about 2 different bolts from 2 different kits, that bolt belongs to the original bolt assembly that were black with brown viton o-rings that everyone looked at as inferior to buena, buts they stopped putting those in anything by the time the LED came out they called it the "image bolt"


all of the bolts that were stock post LED were all direct copies of the Aardvark "red" bolt, and thus interchangeable

all of the add on and mod parts out there (leethal mod, C4 back cap, Freeflow bolt.. etc..) were based on the "image bolt" spec so even the evovle gold bolt can be mixed and matched if necessary

Just a data point here. Don't know what the serial of that gun was but it was an LED frame with smoke stack high rise feed and had the Matrix branded OTP barrel. Regular rubber Matrix marked grips and a push button on/off NOT a slider switch. Don't know if that was an early one or what. Got it as a project for less than a bill. Apparently it had the non-LPR front plug with it but I must have thrown it away with the packaging; I will never forgive myself for that.

If anyone needs seals for the PBC lpr's, Doc hooked me up with some and he might still have some that he made available.

[lew]

Speaking of bolts, I ordered a stock DM3 bolt kit in good or better condition off fleabay for cheap cuz why not. That said, I've seen Evolve bolt kits come up for sale once in a while. With all day air, and me soon to have my own compressor, is there any sense getting an Evolve bolt kit?

[gabe]

Depends how much paint you shoot per game. I don't shoot more than 500 balls in a single game so the regular bolt works just fine for me. You can eek up to 700-800 shots out of a 68/45 with careful tuning. If you shoot more than that definitely go evolve or better yet just do a tophat mod.

The previous owner of my gun put a bunch of o-rings on the outside of the tophat and while I don't know that it increased the efficiency much, it probably does to some degree. Even the Evolve Gold bolt will only increase efficiency by about 10% in my experience.