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  • djeclypse
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    Chuck E Ducky, I did speak to the shop owner, and his son, where I bought my FL3, and they carried both products. Both told me they had moved on from the Hair45 to the FL3, and since I do trust someone who could make $20 more off me directing me to their more trusted product I went with the FL3.

  • Chuck E Ducky
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    That’s kind of my point how can PE claim to be more reliable when they are just now releasing a competing product. I also haven’t heard or experienced any issues with the Hair45. To me it sounds like marking hype. Create a problem that doesn’t exist to justify why a particular products release is inferior. It’s also unlike PE at least in recent years to use this method to sell products. I always saw them as one of the best paintball companies. Can PE just claim reliability because they produce reliable markers? How can they claim it’s more reliable when they are just getting in the game. I just hate when competing companies use tear down methods for marketing to compensate because they can’t compete. Like make a better product. Don’t rip on something that works good and people are happy with to make yourself look better. I get it in the day of Social Media it works better and sells products. In the end people see threw it and it’s not a good look. Then again I could just me Book Face comment section having real world marketing consequences. But to me it seems manufactured and hurts the brand over something so nominal.

  • djeclypse
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    Originally posted by Chuck E Ducky View Post
    What problem are people having with the Hair45 valve? My 10man team has been using them since they came out haven’t seen or heard of any issues with them.
    I haven't experienced it myself, but in talking to a few other players, they just don't last as long under brute punishment. Need to be more tech friendly to your Emek, and not treat it like a rental. That being said, the FL3 is only 6 months old, so we shall see if they hold up. If not, they're still warranteed by PE so there is that bonus.

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  • Handy
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    I would agree that the bang switch is not worth it at all. I can't argue with multiple seasons of 10 man experience when it comes to the hAir, and I can't remember where I saw people complaining.

  • Chuck E Ducky
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    Just curious what issues people are having. You can adjust the trigger to short that the safety stops working thats user error tho. After initial setup, I haven’t seen or heard of any issues with the Hair45. The bang switch on the other hand is junk. I would rather run an emek stock then use a bag switch. I have had to tec those stupid things way to may times. But the Hair45 I haven’t seen any issues with even with owners who don’t take particularly good care of there gear. I do clean my valve when I service my marker usually about every 10 cases give or take. Unless I really beat it into the mud. But I know people who the only time they clean there stuff is when they hand it to me and say make it shoot nice and still haven’t had issues. The emek itself can have an issue if it gets to much shell and paint lodged behind the trigger that the floating pin sticks. But that has nothing to do with the valve and it’s rare.

  • Handy
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    I have heard they require a tiny bit more attention to cleaning and lubricating, but I have no personal experience with it. If the FL3 is anything like the rest of the Emek, you could probably run it without cleaning for a long time and not have issues. I know we had a guy go an entire year of play, every weekend, without removing the bolt assembly from his Emek and it just kept on chugging. Maybe it will be something similar with the valves? Either way, I have hAir valves in both of my Emeks. Not that I'll ever shoot them to its full potential, but the few dollars you save from one valve to the other just made me spring the extra few bucks on the lighter, shorter pull.

  • Chuck E Ducky
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    What problem are people having with the Hair45 valve? My 10man team has been using them since they came out haven’t seen or heard of any issues with them.

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  • Handy
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    I did. I just didn't get a chance to write up as much as I would have liked since my in play comparison didn't work out the way I intended.

    FL3 was lighter than stock for sure, and with the secret pin had a pull that was 1/2 to 1 turn of the set screw longer than the hAir.

    The hAir is a lighter pull than the FL3 for sure, but maybe it's just my un-refined trigger finger, but I think I would be hard pressed to shoot much faster with the hAir over the FL3 (I think I hit 8-9bps with both 1 handed)

    I did not feel like the secret pin made a discernable difference to me, but I believe Hellion noticed much more of a difference.

    If you're going for raw speed, the hAir is the way to go. I don't shoot mine enough to be able to say for sure, but I would bet the FL3 with or without the secret pin will be more reliable based on the whole being from Planet Eclipse/Inceptions.

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  • djeclypse
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    Originally posted by Handy View Post
    I should have both valves as well as the secret pin and a bang switch in a week or 2. Going to try to do a comparison. Is there anything anyone wants to compare in particular?
    Handy, did you ever run that comparison? I'm curious if the secret pin actually makes a difference over the FL3 solo.

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  • Chuck E Ducky
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    I’m curious how the Inception compares to the DW valve. I feel like it’s something I need to experience and feel tho. I’m Waiting for some guys at the field get there inception valve in. I have the DW in my 170 and emek so I’m not going to go threw the trouble of changing it out but I’m curious.

  • Chuck E Ducky
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    Yes and just like whipping and playing on you can get a penalty for it. The 1.3” trigger frame is intended to negate that. However it can be done with a very light trigger setup. You get caught riding that line well that’s on you. The consequences are worse then the benefits. You aren’t going to last to the buzzer burning paint like that and every body counts in 10 man. Lots of guys run these setups and I have yet to see people trying to jam two booger hooks in a single trigger frame while playing. Fun thing to talk about but real world benefits meh… What I do know is that new shocker engine rips faster then the PE markers with the Hair valve. Seems like they upped the efficiency to. Also these 10 man events are not won with ROF. It’s all about how well your team works together. Sure you can shoot lanes but most 10 man fields are long. You Only really got a chance at hitting the front runners looking to take Real estate off the break.

  • Handy
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    I should have both valves as well as the secret pin and a bang switch in a week or 2. Going to try to do a comparison. Is there anything anyone wants to compare in particular?

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  • Jordan
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    So, despite these valves making the trigger "walkable", as displayed by a video by QMTO, they're good?

  • Chuck E Ducky
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    Both valves are universally accepted in all Mech Tournament's. This is the snip from the official ICC rule book.

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  • Toestr
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    Originally posted by Jordan View Post

    Is an Emek with either setup still mech-tourney-legal?
    Yes. The only limitations is that a pneumatic switch operated guns can't use a double trigger or have an rt effect.

    Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk

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