The emek is really good, what it has going for it vs the enmy is the trigger, it is much better, but is it worth the 100ish dollars more, I would say no. Both are plastic mech spools. The biggest thing holding me back from loving the emek is it doesn't have any character and is ugly as sin stock. But for what it lacks in character it makes up for in reliability, It just works and works good! I also think GOG has MUCH better customer service than PE. Dollar for dollar value I think the enmey wins but if you have the money the emek is better functionality wise.
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This right here is why I think the Emek can be a bit polarizing. It's gotten to the point where the Emek has become the default answer given to most new players asking for advice despite being a fairly boring looking hunk of plastic. Then again, what it lacks in the looks department, it makes up for in performance, reliability, and ease of maintenance. It's gotten to the point now where I can look at a $1,200 Autococker and go "ooh, shiny", but no longer dream about owning one. I'm more about simplicity and practicality now than character.Originally posted by KMDPB View PostComment
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I have a V2 eNMey and I bought an Emek when they first released. I prefer the feeling of an eNMey vs. an Emek as I like the bolt actuation and trigger feel, but the eNMey feels cheaper in the hands than an Emek. The Emek also wins in terms of ease with serviceability. The eNMey bolt system isn't super complex, but some of the o-rings (looking at you bolt sail) are a bit of a pain in the ass to get just right, whereas the gamma core is just stupid easy. I think I prefer the eNMey because, while cheap-feeling, it has a bit of personality to it where the Emek feels like if a robot designed a paintball gun. I'm not faulting the Emek, far from it, it's just not for me.
From the wants you are describing I don't know if you want to bother with an Emek. They are bulletproof when it comes to reliability, but if you aren't experiencing issue with your Crossover I don't think an Emek will perform appreciably better and having the ability to go between electro/mech is a nice option to have. That said if you want a gun that you never have to think about, an Emek is a great choice.💀 PK x Ragnastock 💀Comment
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I have owned/shot/used ENMY's, a mech Ion, M170R and now the Emek. I liked the M170R out of those I listed but I didn't think I would use a mech gun enough since I was playing with all electronic players at the time. Fast forward a year or so and things have changed and I sold my shocker because I knew I wasn't going to use it enough now that I have the Emek. I really don't like the Gog's because they don't have a great feel shooting and I found I would sometimes hold the trigger longer letting air out. It's a weird shooting gun. Plus the field we were at had them all for rentals and we had to fix them too much. I have seen the bad side of them too often.
The mech Ion was ok but it was heavy and suffered from the same type of trigger issues as the Gog. Plus it didn't have a safety and I knew shooting myself in the foot was a definite possibility. Then I got the Emek for Christmas. I figured I would just use it when I was playing with all rentals and not really use it often. I realized right away that it shot better than the Gog or Ion. I have only put the Emach trigger on (stock valve) and it works great. I play now with the guys shooting electric guns while ramping and don't think twice about it. I can hit about 8bps consistently with it the way it is. But I love that it is great on air as well. I run it with my peanut tank and can go several games without a refill. If I had known what I do now I wouldn't have sold the M170R but I am not disappointed with the Emek. Plus I like that I bought 2 custom bodies for it for $100 and it won't look like a rental gun anymore.
I get asked all the time about what I'm shooting from new guys and they all swear I am shooting an electric. It shoots fast enough but it's all mech (aside from my hopper). I tried the PAL hopper and I really don't like it. I have started taking my Z2 as the backup to the CTRL if I decide I need a backup instead of the PAL. It missed shots and I don't like the lid. At least with the Z2 I can use 9V's and it has a speed feed and I use the large capacity so I don't need to take pods with me.
Overall, I like having a gun that I can rely on and it shoots great. I don't worry about it getting torn up and I don't have a fortune invested in it. I don't see myself getting rid of it anytime soon. It made me realize I didn't need an expensive electronic gun anymore. If you really want something smooth and a little higher end the M170R is a great gun. But it is a lot more money (stock vs stock) brand new. Plus you aren't customizing it without annodizing. That's where I really like the Emek, it can be anything you want it to be like the old days with guns. Just my $0.02-------------
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Owning the Enmey and the Emek, I've played extensively with both. Here's my two cents on the subject:
- I really like both markers, but I markedly prefer to shoot the Emek. For one thing, I find it impossible to short-stroke like I will occasionally do with the Enmey;
- While I find the build quality of the Enmey decent (I only did pay $150 brand new for mine after all, so critics of the Enmey should bear that in mind), the build quality of the Emek feels decidedly superior;
- The PAL option (putting on a PAL loader) is also a nice thing going for the Emek. In my experience it does work BUT the marker needs to be 100 % stock. In my case when I upgraded to the ID Fang trigger the PAL loader couldn't keep up reliably;
- The Emek isn't much of a looker, granted. PE's initial target market were rental fleets and novice players on a budget. I slapped an ID FLE body on mine (yes I know... I paid more for the body than I did for the marker...) and it looks awesome. It turns out that the Emek is very popular with seasoned players that want something simple and customizable. I can play recball all day long with players shooting CS2s, LV1s, DSRs, Shockers, Axes, etc. and don't feel I have the slightest disadvantage;
- The Gamma Core found in the Emek has become a reference in the industry. Where I live, we can go through all sorts of crazy weather yet the Gamma Core keeps up.
To the OP, really, the best thing would be to try the Emek out and see if it is suitable to your needs.
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I decided to just stick with what I have Being the Emek has gotten to expensive around here. I’m happy with my Tippmann for myself. And The GOG just needs a new green body o ring (rebuild kits on way).
Also picked up a cheap Azodin Kaos to tinker with to satisfy my desire to mess with stuff.
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Alas, you're quite right about Emek pricing. PE had to raise the MSRP on their products because of the whole Covid mess, and I don't blame them for it. However, Badlands being the exclusive PE distributor for Canada always charged way more than what the average exchange rate would dictate.Originally posted by Tinybear View Post
Sometimes you'll see online a used Emek for sale, but they go fast. And they're usually not that cheap either.
The GOG Enmey is also a solid choice, despite its minor shortcomings. Before I had my Emek it was my go-to semi mech, and I 'gogged' quite a few faces with it (yeah pun intended). That marker works.Playing the game since 1990Comment
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Seems like prices for everything everywhere have inflated quite a bit. Emek went from 219.99 now to 269.99 and even 279.99 some places. They hold their value well though. -
That's what's keeping me from buying one. At $220, it's an great deal. But at $270? I may as well save up a few extra bucks and buy a higher-end gun on the used market. Lord knows by the time I'm done upgrading an Emek, I would've spent all of that extra money anyway.
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I haven't pulled the trigger on an emek yet because of the price. I paid $110 for my gen 2 enmey with aftermarket barrel and on/off. Even a used emek is more than double that and I will still need a pops asa and barrel. Years ago I have a v1 enmey and it felt flimsy and would flex in your hand. The newer one I have feels great and has an HE valve so it seems much harder to short stroke. I don't doubt that the emek is better but I am not sure that I can justify the extra cost. New vs new the emek is probably worth it but you can get enmeys super cheap.
I got a second Enmey last week, this one is a pro. The HE valve definitely helps the trigger pull a lot on the enmey. Little to no hiss and it is harder to short stroke. I actually hate the clamping feedneck though and put a regular plastic one on it.Last edited by sickmak90; 10-28-2021, 10:14 PM.Comment
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I have both and the Emek is much better in a lot of ways. The shot from the Emek is crisp and clean, even stock compared the enmy. Taking apart a Emek compared the the Enmy for maintenance is easier. The clamping feedneck doesn't require tools. Plus the upgrades you can put on an Emek do improve it. It's great stock but you can make it even better. I've had so many issues with the regs on enmy's too that I'm always leary of them. I ran a PB field and we had a ton of enmy rentals and at one point about half needed new regs. Sure the Emek is more money but they are worth it. I would take a stock Emek over an Enmy any day.
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I picked one up and I have to say this is the standard. It's smooth and stock, it's able to compete with Electro's.
Do you need a pops ASA? No, it has a safety. That's just a upgrade for preference. Don't say, "I need the on/off," because the stock ASA works fine.
Do you need an upgraded trigger? I don't think so. The trigger has a soft touch feel and pulls with under 5 pounds of pressure. Getting on it and rapidly pulling using my middle finger gets over 8 bps easily. The hAir or Inceptions valve reduce trigger pull weight and distance traveled but we are talking about millimeters and 2 pounds of a difference. For $80, it's a high expense in my opinion.
The body is plastic, but in an all black stock color, it looks sharp. Do you need to upgrade to a metal body? No, it's a cosmetic choice. Again, it's another personal preference.
The barrel is shorter and wider bore than I prefer. It works out of the box, but I prefer a 684 bore 14" long barrel. With autococker threads I was able to use my existing Lurker one piece barrel but I did purchase a black barrel to match. It's the first upgrade I suggest.
Last but most important, the Emek doesn't have eyes. A force fed hopper made the most difference. I played a gravity primo proto hopper and had mis-fires when the hopper didn't feel. Several times I shook and tapped the hopper to feed paint. I've never used a pal hopper but my biggest complaint is keeping a steady stream of paint. This is where I would spend money on an emek first.
Overall, this is my go to first shooter when I play rentals or mechs. Why spend $85 on a valve, $185 on a raw metal body ($200+ custom Anno body), or $40 on an on/off ASA on a $265 marker (or less if you buy used) adding on $300 of additional cost to a marker that doesn't need it. Just buy a M170 at that point. This marker is great out of the box compared to any other entry level marker at that point.
I highly recommend a Emek.Comment
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i had an M170.. i like the ergonomics of the Emek more..Originally posted by BLachance75 View Post
m170 is too "long and low" for me to feel like im shouldering the gun correctly, inadvertently kept trying to mush my mask into the tank cause i never felt like my head was low enough either
the emek just feels better imoComment
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I'm just not seeing the value in the Emek anymore. Like others have said when they were $200 they were an outstanding value and something you could buy a few of to have around for friends. Now I'm seeing them $300 and up which to me just doesn't make sense. You can buy a Shocker CVO for $400-450 used all day long and an Emek with just a trigger upgrade is more than that. You can pick up Trilogies for under $200 which makes them the value king in the mech world and if you want a modern spool mech then the CVO offers a much better value than the Emek.Comment
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Emek performance wise is much better then the CVO. Especially if we are talking modified Emeks like the ones in the $300 range. Smart parts really only got into PE Territory with the new Amp engine. The Amp is better out of the box now then the M170R but it’s not a sub $300 marker. I still think the Emek is a great value even at a higher cost. It’s a much better marker then the early CVO’s you see in the $450 price range.Comment
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How do you feel it's better than the CVO performance wise? Sure the CVO doesn't have an extraordinarily advanced bolt but the trigger, feedneck, asa, and all metal construction make up for that in spades. The efficiency difference between the Emek and CVO is not very much so the only edge I can give the Emek is reliability in the cold and/or without cleaning. To get near the CVO in rate of fire and with the feedneck and asa you're dumping another $200 into a base emek for upgrades which brings it well over $400 and even into the $500 range. Even a used M170R at $650 doesn't offer much over the CVO.
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I disagree the marker needs a feedneck and ASA it comes with one and it works just fine.
Those CVO were junk snapping bolts off, air hogs sure you could shoot one out of the box faster when they first came out. But they were super unreliable. They came out with updates but the performance was still garbage. Up until the Amp came out The only real thing the CVO has over the emek is the stock barrel. They shoot like crap.
A bunch of guys I play 10man with got them. Broke them sold them an bought a M170R after shooting mine. I sold my M170R because I liked my Emek better and could shoot it faster after throwing a valve and trigger into it. The new / used value has gone up on the Emek because people want them and can’t get them. While the CVO continued to drop because they are garbage markers nobody wants them especially after the new bolt system came out. Then the AMP fixed a lot of issues with the CVO but they are not cheap. Most of my guys are shooting AMP or M170R now. I still shoot my Emek I did get another M170R but I have yet to field it.Comment
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I think you may be a little PE biased. I've had nothing but a good experience with my CVO and the efficiency isn't bad at all. It gets about 1000-1100 shots off a 68/45 which is about what I get from my autococker with a CCM lower tube. Of course the Emek is better on gas but not worlds better, just enough that you may get another pod or two. No bolt breaking issues since maybe the very first run. Adrenaline and Shocker have both been using this bolt system for a couple years now without massive issues. I'll admit the EMEK is crazy reliable but that doesn't mean that for the average rec player the CVO isn't fine. I actually prefer the bolt with the trigger controlling bolt movement. Reminds me of shooting an autococker. And IDK about how great the Emek trigger is, everyone replaces it the first thing they do. The ASA on the emek is not an on/off unless you upgrade to a pops and the feedneck is a plastic screw adjusted affair. I would say the CVO's on/off asa, lever feedneck, and great trigger out of the box easily makes it a better buy for a rec player who cleans their gear. If you're treating it like a tippmann 98 or using it hard in mech tournaments then by all means go emek or M170R. -
🤷🏻♂️ Don’t like them, don’t recommend them, they cost me points when it mattered. The only reason they are even close in price is because one over performs and one under performs. Your also comparing used prices to a new modified marker prices.
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All I can say is that the plastic eclipse frames are a thousand times better than the 2011 and previous metal frames.
I’m not sure how they stack up against the current metal eclipse frames.Comment
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