Time to get this project rolling

[Sharkytrav]

Finally went and played paintball a couple weekends ago. It was nice. Got a bunch of eliminations with the Riotbuilt Gothic. It worked flawlessly with a 500 output Ninja tank, 400 psi from the Sidewinder into the gun. The marker got shot on my last game of the day and it took about two hours to clean the thing.

More importantly, I got some air to fiddle around with all the builds here at the house. I kinda expected this to be easy-breezy plug and play low pressure, but the same tank and Sidewinder won't convince this build to recock.

Started with the black lowest tension springs front and back. Tried a silver middle-tension spring in the front. Made sure the Tornado Valve is facing big hole to the front. The fatty striker is polished shiny but I haven't polished the inside of the body tubes. Is that going to be an important step?

I put a few paintballs in the stack when I had both black springs installed to see if paint would help. Not sure what kind of velocity it had, but the ball exited just fine, still no recock. The Tornado Valve shouldn't receive much more than 400psi, right? As in, I don't want to go upping the inbound PSI to see what makes it recock?

[Sharkytrav]

I dug out all 4 slim strikers and 2 fatty strikers I have in my possession and they are all different. I’ll get pics in here soon but the 2 fatty strikers are off by a pretty wide margin. Seems like getting the right striker in your particular spyder could go a long way to achieving a magical trigger pull.

pic of the fatties.

[Surf2Live]

I’ve got a couple running with Neo valves. Not difficult to set up if you follow the provided instructions and no issues to speak of yet.

I haven’t done any recorded testing for efficiency or shot consistency.

[Seajay]

Looks great. I've never seen a Neo Power valve in a working build. I'd be interested to see one in action.

[Tarsun2]

Looken good

[ChoSanJuan]

Let's see final pressure and a shooting video! I've got a hand in this build and am genuinely curious. 😁

[Sharkytrav]

I did get a neo power valve and I have some other fun stuff left over sooooo maybe I’m looking for another classic full size body?

[Sharkytrav]

Update. I think we are just about done here! Thank you scottieb, cho San Juan, i&i and Jared (aka AKA) for all the awesome parts and kind of semithanks to action village and ansgear for fulfilling some orders of stuff that mostly just made my life more difficult.

Will likely switch to a maxflo or apocalypse before it is all said and done, but I do like the way it feels (even if I don’t like the way it looks) with the current drop and on/off.

[Tarsun2]

you could put a neo-power valve in there... just saying.
i feel like no one uses them lol

[Sharkytrav]

I’ll try to stick with this thread for updates unless someone has a specific trigger related response on the other thread.

all the AKA bits ($138.50) arrived yesterday and after a little extra work, I think everything is going to fit as intended. Everything seems to work fine mechanically but I don’t have air to test it at the moment so we’ll see about that later.

The valve was a really tight fit which I hope means it won’t be leaking any time soon. The shape of the valve prevented the little retaining screw that is hidden by the frame from screwing in all the way. This of course prevented the frame from sitting flush. Had to give the screw a little grinding to make it work and now everything sits like it is supposed to.

Bolt didn’t have a pin to hook up to the striker. The Spyder Esprit bolt I had laying around had a pin the right size so I yoinked that and used the cocking rod on the AKA bolt to retain it. I think that is how that was intended to work.

Right now I have the black springs in from a spring kit (9.99). Need air to do testing so we’ll see what the best combo is eventually.

Bob Long single trigger frame (9.99 I think) went together pretty easily with spare parts from the Spyder parts tote I got my hands on a few months ago.

The LPR came in the parts bin and I am not a fan. Waiting for a Miteymax or just about anything else to surface. Neither of the other LPRs I ordered ($15 total) have the lip inside to retain the spring so I’m stuck with this Mace of Molag Bal looking thing that scrapes the barrel if it is tilted 3 degrees either way. Of the two I ordered, one I think matches the LPR from a Spyder Sonix and the other is Shocktech.

Vigilante is probably going to need a rebuild if it stays. I like the look of it but I’ll probably go the easy route and swap in something that is definitely currently working.

DYE barrel is still en route from northerly parts. Still interested in an AA or tear drop if y’all have such things laying around.

[Seajay]

I found the Magnaport valves finicky when going super low pressure, anything under 400 psi. Cycling was just inconsistent, which affected velocity. A modded stock valve to open the top port up was a bit more reliable at 400 psi. I gathered the cycling was slow enough on the pin that any friction or variable movement on the pin caused the issues.

[Sharkytrav]

That sounds like the perfect thing for this second random-parts gun.

[GanonsGrin]

32* magnaport valve. They are one of the cheapest options to get you in the LP game with spyders and do alright, but you get what you pay for unless you have a lot of time to dial it in with springs and such. Not sure on the stem though.

[Sharkytrav]

photos at action villiage aren’t great. I kinda have my fingers crossed that it works. If not, it is only $5. In the mean time, I found one laying around that actually does work.

in fact, I have a bunch of random spyder gear in a box that someone gave me that might let me get away with building a second low-ish pressure setup based on an esprit body.

thoughts on this valve and stem? This box had a few stock valves and this one and the stem were the odd ducks. It looks like some additional volume can get through there, and the stem is much lighter than stock.

[Tarsun2]

looks like it would thread into the front block of a compact body.
if you have a non-compact, you might need a different lpc. IIRC, they are narrower, smoother, simpler, and have a big flat head slot cut into the top. i dont believe the lpc's that thread into the front block have the flat head cut out.