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    #46
    Originally posted by Big Phil View Post
    CCM.


    too soon?
    I almost brought it up then remembered that they're still building like...3-4 guns a year. I sure miss the Chipley days when they cranked them out like Mike was making phantoms

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      #47
      In Chipley days they made less and sold less, theres like a couple hundred series 5's and less J2's give me a break. Blame the scalpers who clear out their inventory and sell it on facebook.

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      • Moodog

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        The CCM bad mouthing is all hubris. It's just people who think they know someone else's business better despite having no information regarding the
        operations decision making of that company. If the people doing the complaining wanted the parts bad enough they would have emailed Laurie already. Every time I've emailed Laurie in the last 12 months she's gotten me an "out of stock" part in under a month.

      • MAr

        MAr

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        Call me Mr. Hubris...

      • coyote

        coyote

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        Not all hubris,

        Some folks actually have been to CCM, know the players in the story, and have had CCM VIPs at events they have hosted.

        Your mileage may varie.

      #48
      I would burn aka to the ground to bring back the awesome era of INDIVIDUAL MACHINED DESIGNS private lable intimidators and smart parts guns.

      Yup. I went there.

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      • Siress

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        Reported. /s

      #49
      Dangerous Power! Probably not a popular one amongst this crowd, but most of my other ones were mentioned already. And I just like DP markers for some reason. Call me crazy.

      And the first product would be a G6. Mostly so I can shoot a poor quality music video of me in slow motion feathering the trigger to "poppin bottles in the ice, like a blizzard.... feelin so fly like a G6"

      Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
      Last edited by Rainmaker; 03-31-2021, 10:20 AM.

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      • Cdn_Cuda

        Cdn_Cuda

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        Last brand new gun I bought was a DP Threshold. Still love the milling on that gun. I wonder if my buddy still has it.

      • Brokeass_baller
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        Always thought they were underrated. The E1 was the best damn budget electro ever built. If only it came with more than two modes.

      • bellicose

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        My Threshold was so good looking. Still regret selling it. It did have a terrible reg that didn't work, though, and DP charged me an arm and a leg for parts to fix it. Never bought another DP since, and would only get another Threshold.

      #50
      Originally posted by Rainmaker View Post
      Dangerous Power! Probably not a popular one amongst this crowd, but most of my other ones were mentioned already. And I just like DP markets for some reason. Call me crazy.

      And the first product would be a G6. Mostly so I can shoot a poor quality music video of me in slow motion feathering the trigger to "poppin bottles in the ice, like a blizzard.... feelin so fly like a G6"

      Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk
      Aw I didn't even know DP was gone. I've always had a soft spot for the Fusions. Great guns for the money, especially used.

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      • MAr

        MAr

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        I love DP...

      • Marauder_Pilot
        Marauder_Pilot commented
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        Yeah me too. And the paintball guns are OK too

      #51
      I remember on MCB, Carter and a bunch of other important members were all excited about the original FASOR they made. I didn't quite understand it but I think it was when brand new electros were finally -really good- and totally cheap and they kinda swept through MCB for a while.

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        #52
        I am surprised no one said WDP for the Angel Eyes.

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          #53
          I’m kind of tempted to say Brass Eagle just because some of the best times I’ve ever had playing were with Stingrays & Raptors. I’m going to go with ICD though. Always liked BKOs & Bushmasters. Freestyles shot so good too.

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          • Ironnerd

            Ironnerd

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            I did not see your post, but I guess I agree (see below) - I also miss ICD. We'll form a corporate relationship so we can sell each others products in order to cover a wider swath of pantballers.

          #54
          With $5,000,000 I would buy Brass Eagle and use the remaining $4,999,000 for R&D and beer.

          I would bring back the Stingray and Tiger Shark with updated bodies made from "Green" plastics (Recycled or biodegradable). These bodies would have some much-needed attention to aesthetics, and would use Freak XL inserts for the first 8" of the barrel. The remainder of the barrel would be plastic in the basic markers, but would be metal in improved versions.

          I would develop a Stock version of the Tiger Shark (Barracuda?)

          The Stingray and Tiger Shark both had easily-fabricated and easily-maintained internals housed in a rugged plastic shell. They were unrefined, highly modifiable, and basically indestructible. With some refinements, they can both be pretty nice actually - just gotta tone down the ugly a little.

          I would also encourage a community of users who publish their 3d-printed/printable accessories and parts for the guns (since they are housed in plastic anyway), and even sell "Skinless Fish" which would be the internals only so that the players could use whatever 3d-printed body they preferred.

          Lastly, I would open a field. A field with rules like no electros on walk-on day (we want the walk-ons to have fun, get hooked, come back, and buy a marker or two).

          The new Brass Eagle would not be available in Wal-Mart, Dick's sporting goods, or Canadian Tire.
          Ironnerd's Feedback
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          WWP Razorback III, WGP Sniper III, Brass Eagle Tiger Shark and Stingray II, JT ER2, Avalon GT2000, Kingman Spyder

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          • Ironnerd

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            You have convinced me. I'll sell the markers at Wal-Mart, Dick's, and Canadian Tire.
            Last edited by Ironnerd; 05-05-2021, 04:55 AM.

          • Siress

            Siress

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            I am now wholly on board with your plan and wish to be a founding member. The proceeds from a CCM laying around should provide enough net present value to procure the Brass Eagle brand and all associated property.

          • Ironnerd

            Ironnerd

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            Maybe I should inquire with JT or KORE [uneasy laugh]

            Although, at this point, why do I need B.E.? It's not like there is a magic secret to a Nel-Spot pump or Tippmann BBS...
            ...
            ...
            [Evil laugh]
            Last edited by Ironnerd; 05-05-2021, 05:32 PM.

          #55
          Smart parts . Before you light your torches and grab your pitch forks. I always loved the splash ano barrel and accent kits. The all American barrel was my go to my freak is my go to now.

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          • NONOBLITUS

            NONOBLITUS

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            Look at your gear though I am sure the bashers have Smart Parts gear in their collections.

          • Siress

            Siress

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            I'm sure we've all bought goods produced with forced child labor in 3rd world countries. That doesn't mean we agree with the practice.

          • Jordan

            Jordan

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            I definitely have SP products... the AA is my favorite barrel. I'm not a SP fanboi but they did make some nice stuff.

          #56
          I just said I like splash kits and some barrels.

          The shocker ruined paintball, fight me!

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          • NONOBLITUS

            NONOBLITUS

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            I bought and still have mine from 96

          • Dusty Bottoms
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            The Norseman speaks the truth, says I.

          #57
          Originally posted by Havoc View Post
          The shocker ruined paintball, fight me!
          The only electro I own!
          💀 Custodian & Poison Ivy Aficionado, Ragnastock 💀

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          • Havoc

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            See it turned Jonny to the dark side.

          • gabe

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            Hate to say it but I love my new CVO...and my Freak kit...and my Freak XL....and....well I really like Smart Parts products and they did what they did well.

            Let's be honest, the Shocker SFL changed the game. It started the format that all modern guns became.

          #58
          I kind of wish Earon Carter could be immortal and slowly crank out hand built Carter guns until the end of the universe.

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            #59
            Originally posted by Havoc View Post
            I just said I like splash kits and some barrels.

            The shocker ruined paintball, fight me!
            The Shocker is the reason we have an Emek. If it hadn't paved the way for electros, PE wouldn't be around as we know it and there would have been no reason to develop a mech spool.

            So you could argue it saved paintball... but in a Pyrrhic victory sort of salvation.
            And God turned to Gabriel and said: “I shall create a land called Canada of outstanding natural beauty, with majestic mountains soaring with eagles, sparkling lakes abundant with bass and trout, forests full of elk and moose, and rivers stocked with salmon. I shall make the land rich in oil so the inhabitants prosper and call them Canadians, and they shall be praised as the friendliest of all people.”

            “But Lord,” asked Gabriel, “Is this not too generous to these Canadians?”

            And God replied, “Just wait and see the neighbors I shall inflict upon them."

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            • Jordan

              Jordan

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              Havoc - by that mentality we never should have stopped using bolt action Nelspots. Pump handles and speed changers were all meant to improve ROF.


              Tourney players should never mix with renters - blaming the equipment is something this board likes to
              do, I don't understand why.

            • gabe

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              Agreed. Electros didn't "drive away players", paintball was actually most active during the ROF wars. I would argue that quite the opposite, players tended to get more into paintball when they saw the super fast firing guns and aspired to owning that level of equipment so it drew them in. At the time you could buy an E frame spyder and those guys were the absolute coolest 13yo's ever. At least that's how I remember it. If paintball was only pump nobody would want to play because it would be too slow and boring and if it was purely mech then the ROF war would just be based around super short throw pneumatic switches and RT action which would be easily as fast as an uncapped electro. It's not the equipment, it's the culture. Video games killed the live action combat sports.

            • MrBarraclough
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              | "there would have been no reason to develop a mech spool"

              Umm, Tom Kaye developed a mech spool in 1990...it was called the Automag. But probably a better point to make is that WDP developed the Angel wholly independently of the PVI/SP Shocker, so electros would have been a thing even without the Shocker. If electros had never appeared, perhaps the ROF wars would have taken place anyway, just with reactive trigger tech, or whatever other brilliant madness Tom Kaye would have developed in the mech-only alternate timeline.

              Havoc does have a point about the initial effects of electros making their way from pro tournaments down to walk-on recball play. I never consciously decided to quite paintball, I just drifted away when I started college and was too busy with school for a time. But a big part of what kept me away was my assumption that electros certainly must have ruined the sport by then. When I last played (before returning last year) sometime in 2000, Shockers and Angels had just been starting to appear at our little outlaw field back home. Getting lit up by an obnoxious, spoiled 14 year old running a full auto Shocker was both unpleasant and memorable. And I distinctly remember feeling like I was seeing the writing on the wall. In those early electro days, it seemed like a yawning gap in firepower between ordinary players and rich brats was going to become a permanent feature of the sport and would surely put off a lot of potential new players. So for 20 years, whenever I happened to think of paintball at all, I assumed that it had either been killed off outright or at the very least ruined for people like me who remembered the "good old days" when Mag v. Cocker was pinnacle of technology. Between that, the rise of airsoft, and the mind-blowing advances in video games, I was frankly surprised that commerical paintball fields were still in existence when someone invited me to go play last year.

              To give SP some credit, however grudgingly, the Ion may have saved paintball. At least that's how I read the history (again, I was gone 2000-2020). Making crazy rates of fire affordable to the entry level player might have intensified the ROF wars initially, but it seems like it was similar to breaking a fever. Once everyone could be on both the giving and receiving end of withering firepower, there was incentive to step back and take a sober look the state of the sport. It amazed me to read over the last year about how all this played out. How paintball nearly destroyed itself, but then collectively stopped, looked around, and stepped back from the abyss. I think that's a rare story in this world.

            #60

            In all its glory. Good thing I’ve done more for new players and the sport then I can remember for 30 years of playing. Rate of fire with no ball breaks. I’ll keep my thumbs up for Smart Parts still.

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