So MANY TMC's and TIPX pistols for sale......

[smiffington]

Tons of the ones coming up for sale around Windsor said they bought them for self defense. Makes sense, Windsor and Essex have a very high crime rate. Pretty much anything conceivable for home defense is illegal up here, so people are trying to think outside of the box for options. I was out in Alberta a few months ago, up near gp. I talked to a store owner there and he said he had a number of people coming in and asking about LL options but he usually turned them away. Back the beginning of summer there was a guy in st Catherine's selling a hdr 50 with half inch ball bearings. Looking into it, that's apparently a think from Germany, and there are German guys on eBay selling them specifically for that purpose. So the home defense idea isn't too far out there I don't think.

A large number of what you see for sale is simply people who want to be larpers and bought a gun but then decided to do airsoft. I've bought a lot of guns from those kind of folk.

A few also bought a bunch of larper junk then got laid off or let go.

The tmc is a pretty good gun, the only real strike against it is that it's not as consistent as other guns. I'd argue that tmc mags are the best option for round ball right now, but I've tried everything except dam mags so that's not a fully fleshed out thought.

[glaman5266]

You know, the TMC mags are the one thing I keep hearing excellent things about. They don’t hold First Strikes, but they are the best round ball mag out there & are priced very well. At least that I hear & read anyway. And that’s good for getting into magfed on the (relative) cheap. It’s just a shame that such a reliable, cheap platform is severely hampered by one simple thing- inability to shoot FS rounds.

[smiffington]

True, but in some places first strikes are not accessible or allowed so round ball is where it's at. There's two fields near me, neither allow first strikes even at big games. I do a lot of outlaw, but I don't like using first strikes there as everyone else is using renter equivalent gear and it's just an unfair advantage. Kinda kills the fun when it's that much of an edge.

The biggest thing I like about tmc mags is their durability. Milsig mags are constantly cracking the heads, maxtact mags are constantly cracking shells, dmags are just all round garbage, helix mags are constantly cracking and deforming, and I've only limited experience with t15 mags but it seems they are incredibly temperamental. Tmc mags just work all the time and are near indestructible. They are fairly heavy and the molded in magpuls are obnoxious but in the important things they are quite good.

[Trbo323]

You sure you're not thinking of the TCR?
That's the little Roni Carbine-lookin thing that used blowforward TipX guts (mostly), was first strike capable out of the box, and had a little doofy stock.




The TMC, on the other hand, is a blowback, though a little smaller overall than an M98 because it uses the Cronus/FT-12 trigger linkage bar.

Dang it, you are right

You know, why name your markers something that can easily differentiate them from each other

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[The Inflicted]

...Back the beginning of summer there was a guy in st Catherine's selling a hdr 50 with half inch ball bearings. Looking into it, that's apparently a think from Germany, and there are German guys on eBay selling them specifically for that purpose. So the home defense idea isn't too far out there I don't think.

My understanding is that less-lethal self-defense is the primary intended purpose of the various Umarex .50/.68 guns, and that being (somewhat) suitable for paintball is a fun secondary functionality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POF0qoLgVxw

[The Inflicted]

Dang it, you are right

You know, why name your markers something that can easily differentiate them from each other

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Don't even get me started on Tippmann's naming conventions.
Why on earth they recycled the "X7" appellation for both their magnesium A5 variant and a completely unrelated blowforward gun I'll never know.
I mean, "X8" was right there!

[Biscuits]

Probably had had something to do with the x7 and the x7p being about to use the same stocks and fore grips. Maybe they thought it made more sense to keep the same name rather then confuse people with a new name? I’m sure some people at tippman thought it through and have a reasonable explanation.

[ATBen]

It's also embarrassing for them when they run out of paint and can't take a pod lol. And I'll never make the mistake of asking some magfedders for covering fire again...

FSRs are cool though, I've used some in my tib 9.1 and empire trracer.

One can only hope they are moving to hopper fed set ups so they stop being a liability to my big game generals 😆

[Trbo323]

Don't even get me started on Tippmann's naming conventions.
Why on earth they recycled the "X7" appellation for both their magnesium A5 variant and a completely unrelated blowforward gun I'll never know.
I mean, "X8" was right there!

Lol, let's predict what's next

The tippmann X98TCMR phenom

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[SignOfZeta]

Dang it, you are right

You know, why name your markers something that can easily differentiate them from each other

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Holy cow. That is the most hilarious looking heap of stuff I’ve ever seen. If you look really really close...there’s a gun in there!

[ATBen]

There's a reason the ATS AT-85 never caught on lol

[XEMON]

There's a reason the ATS AT-85 never caught on lol

Well ... I love my ATS, but there is more than that about the ATS ...
The mags are about the best that can be designed for magfed, but the mechanic of the gun are very sensitive and can be overwhelming if you are not mechanically inclined.

I think a lot of cheap magfed are on the used market because they are cheap guns to begin with (and FSR is not an option for"cheap")... How many people buy a gun and use it twice and then never touch it again?
Being a magfed just makes it more appealing to the crowd that my not stay in the game in the first place ...

Also, let me add, playing magfed with other walk-on (space dildos and rentals) is a little bit the same mentality as pump, or any other limited paint ... It's not for everyone ...

[shadow191]

At my local field, there are always a few different magfed guys out there and watching them play is interesting. They're usually very focused on tactics and discipline but hardly ever shoot - they do a great job of calling out positions though. Unfortunately the disparity in firepower even against rentals means that they're usually pinned down in the back. At times it looks like there are just separate games going on - a ton of paint flying around at the front and then the magfed guys in back crawling around.

So I think it is more your first option that it's not for them. There isn't anyone at field with higher end magfed markers, just Tippmanns. Magfed looks like a lot of fun if you're in a magfed only game but if it's not a big thing in your area and your only choice is walk on games, then to me it looks like it would get old quickly. It's a different style of play and most of the magfed guys I see treat it more as a style/genre than just a different marker.

[Seajay]

Lol, let's predict what's next

The tippmann X98TCMR phenom

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I'd rejoice if they brought back the Phenom. I love mine, really good shooter.

[SignOfZeta]

Yeah, I was holding a bridge with a very experienced mag fed guy wearing more $$$ on him that day than I’ve spent in 30 years of playing so I thought we’d do OK...but he ran out of paint in what seemed like seconds. I got hit with probably 150 rnds on me still. I would have just given the paint to him since he was full auto and I was pumping but it would have taken 10 minutes to load my pod worth of paint into his magazines one ball at a time.

They really need their own day of play. Not because they are special forces elite blah blah but because they are hugely handicapped. Even a Phantom can outshoot mag fed in the correct situation...even the Rapide held more rounds at once.

Real guns have magazines because you can’t just dump bullets into them. They make the guns *better*. And *easier* to use and *faster* to load and reload. And in actual combat mags are disposable and have less of a chance of ever being seen again than the poor guy using them. In paintball guns they do the opposite. Except for FSR and shooting upside down mags slow the gun down, they reduce capacity by %90. Also, unless you’re posh you’ll be carrying all that crap back with you. Your rollout barely loses any weight being dry.

If we start to see more mag fed guns that don’t deliberately pretend to look like real guns, that’s when the good designs will really start to emerge. Right now cosplay is the focus.

[Jonnydread]

If we start to see more mag fed guns that don’t deliberately pretend to look like real guns, that’s when the good designs will really start to emerge.

I'm with you there. I'd love to see a bare-bones magfed platform that doesn't have all sorts of unnecessary aesthetic crap on it.

[Falcon16]

I'd bet it's people like that idea of the realism then see quickly how handicapped they are against even the most basic semi or pump that is hopper fed. I had a horrible experience with a pair of tipx pistols. Rebuilt them each several times they would shoot a shot or two then not work until disassembled and reassembled. Even took them to the tippman tent at a big game and they couldnt' figure it out. Traded them off and far as I know they got sent in to tippman who replaced them completely as the issue made no sense at all.

I digress, in the end I agree with SignOfZeta that cosplay is the main reason for magfed. It's an inherently inferior system to anything else (that includes stock class as if you lose a tube or two they are what $ .50 but lose a mag and you're out $50 or more.)

[Rusty Brass]

I'm with you there. I'd love to see a bare-bones magfed platform that doesn't have all sorts of unnecessary aesthetic crap on it.

It exists. Pure Zoom-Dot Pew-Pew right there. I only built this thing to have fun at Supergame though. I wouldn't even consider it for regular round ball play. And I'd prefer TiPX/Zeta mags (less bulky to carry) but they don't ask me about these things.
All of the critiques about magfed are true though. It's cosplay, pure and simple. There are two legit reasons for magfed: First Strikes and making things ridiculously expensive/difficult cuz masochism. It looks cool at first but the reality just doesn't work out.