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    #46
    Oh, and to answer OP’s thread topic…
    I don’t know if it would be considered innovation… because I imagine “weight = bad” for most players, but I’d love markers with a little more meat to them. Let’s get some heftier markers with cool milling. Make the markers fun again.

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    • $L!mBo

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      "heavier" usually means a steadier shot imo!

    • glaman5266
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      $L!mBo Bring back 1pc stainless barrels.

    #47
    it would be great if there was some way for folks to know they are shooting at someone on their own team.
    i like running far as i can up the field off the start and am always! getting shot in the back by team mates!
    idk, microchips in the balls that detonate midair if youre aiming at me?

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    • nnolt89
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      Haha yes, friendly fire is the worst

    • Refoogee
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      This is the best response in the thread so far. When I'm playing recball, I'm usually running stock class, a 50 round hopper on a pump, a pistol, or magfed. I'm either sneaking around, or pushing up the field really aggressively. I get shot by my own team at least once every day I go out.

      I wonder if, instead of armbands, fields would be willing to stock some sort of vest.

    • TF_Aloha
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      This would be way too much money and effort, but one way to accomplish this with existing technology would be to modify a laser tag system. Every gun has an IR laser emitter and every mask has a "crown" of sensors and LEDs. Laser tag systems can already keep track of who shoots who, so set the teams' emitters and receivers to recognize each other. Set the lasers to flash rapidly and continuously. When a friendly laser lights up a friendly mask (or vest if you want) the mask/vest lights up, letting you know you're aiming at a friendly. You could even have the masks/vests with zones on them, so that if a sensor on the back of a player gets activated, only the back of the player lights up, making them less obvious to opponents.

    #48
    The next innovation in Paintball is to get rid of Paintballs, as simple as is. If paintball has to growth it must cheap as football or soccer.

    Reball was good innovation, field were to use it but the same problem with Airsoft raised : cheaters. Re-usable balls is the way but they need to innovate on that part with Electronic Suit : Jersey, Gloves, Googles and Pants mostly like in fencing must be electronic. If Paintball will be cheaper than Airsoft, Paintball will be in golden age like in 90's.

    That way we can have cheaper / almost free paintball and the balls with impact is still here. (Since the suit is electronic and balls are hard we don't need to play with 300 fps and we could lower the velocity.)

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    • $L!mBo

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      ok, but if you get rid of the paint, im not just going to call it "BALLS"

    • Magmoormaster
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      The problem with reballs is that they're expensive and easy to steal. One player accidentally forgetting to unload a poad at the end of the day is a pretty big loss for the company.

    • SR_matt
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      Not to mention the collection and cleaning of them. Sure if you are doing an indoor speed ball set up not as big of a deal but outdoors and anything thats not a tourney layout would have so much loss.

      Not to mention the safety issue, with actual paint if you step on a bunch of spilled balls they break, it may be slick but you can still have traction... with reballs you're going for a ride no matter what.

    #49
    To prevent stealing ask a bank check of $100 (or less for each player) as a guarantee, if at the end of the day some are missing you win $$$ if not you destroy any bank check left.

    Anyway those who will still play in woods will probably still play with Paintballs. But those Balls can be the future of the sport. (mostly for Tournament) School Club can keep to reball is fine enough for training.

    More you bring kids more players will be playing in the future with real Paintballs and a tournament would be cheap instead of spending thousands for a season.

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    • Magmoormaster
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      So let's make it cheap/free by using reusable rounds, then require a $100 deposit to use them? That don't make no sense chief.

    #50
    if i had to put money on something, its probably that within a few years, we will have stl files for a 3-d printed mask.
    what about a company that came along and bought all the patents and molds of every discontinued mask design and allows you to completely customize a brand new one.
    or a mask that is just one big lens? that never scratches/is able to be polished back to clear if scratched?
    and super light to the point of eliminating it ever slipping off by accident
    super slick coating to make clean up easy

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    • Chuck E Ducky

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      A lot of regulation would have to go out the window for that to happen. Masks have to go through substantial testing.

    • $L!mBo

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      yea but i mean after all that
      nobodys gunna wear a mask thats not safe.
      but the speed the printing industry is advancing at, it seems like a natural progression to me.

    • Chuck E Ducky

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      Definitely it’s just a matter of time. You see the new metal forming robots! They can creat complex formations out of flat metals it’s wild!

    #51
    Markers should have built in chronographs. The Cyber 9000 had it. It's time.
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    • Refoogee
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      Adding onto this, a self adjusting regulator would be awesome. Set it to the field limit, marker chrono's the shots, adjusts the spring pressure accordingly.

      Barring that, eyes that can see what rounds you're shooting, and adjusts to different spring pressure profiles, would be nice for magfed games. You could swap between First Strikes, and roundball, without worrying about velocity differences.

    • SR_matt
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      to play the devils advocate here, we have seen what happens when you put adjustability into electronics. It would take all of about 15 mins for someone to get one and modify the code to create a cheater profile where it ups the velocity after being chronoed.

      granted I suspect that likely could be happening already with dwell dependent markers and people are just smart enough now to not broadcast it.

    • TF_Aloha
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      "to play the devils advocate here, we have seen what happens when you put adjustability into electronics. It would take all of about 15 mins for someone to get one and modify the code to create a cheater profile where it ups the velocity after being chronoed.

      granted I suspect that likely could be happening already with dwell dependent markers and people are just smart enough now to not broadcast it."

      I'm pretty sure that this already happened with cheater boards during the bad old days. The dwell would open up in breakout mode so that players could breakshoot hot right at the beginning of the game but the marker would be totally legal when chrono'ed, even if a ref grabbed the gun right when the player got pulled unless the ref had a chrono ready at the start box.

    #52
    I know personally I see the industry as moving to smaller and smaller improvements which are designed to make a marker "as good as it can be" out of the box. Which on paper sounds great but so many of us want to tinker in one way or another.

    Sure markers are more efficient and less idiot prone than the older ones. but the only thing that can be changed on them is cosmetics (anno, and maybe grips if you're lucky). Many of the "upgrades" that do exist are either snake oil (seemingly most bolt upgrades for modern spools) or purposefully make the marker malfunction (some of the trigger valves for things like the emek, granted I guess even the same can be said for using a ULT to RT on a mag technically). For a lot of us though, tinkering is half (or more) of the fun of this game. We were used to the days where upgrading and tuning your marker for you was how you had better rates of fire and got the right "feel" that you wanted. Now it's all just plug and play. Of course we have some companies making cocker stuff still but its also a bit stagnant with the bigger innovations coming form smaller companies... granted after 30ish years, theres not huge improvements that can really be made to cockers.

    That being said I think we have lost large entry level market. Everyone says "just get an emek" for a starter marker. That's $280 for just the marker (and to put it in perspective it's the same buying power as $180 was in 2005). Thats not very entry level. Sure you can get one used, but personally I think buying used for your first marker, especially for a kid, is a terrible idea (you lack the knowledge to know what to look out for and the knowledge to fix it easily). Sure you still have some STBB and Tippman variants but form a technology stand point those really haven't improved in almost 2 decades. We need to have some better options in the sub $200 range, or maybe just that we need people to actually be willing to recommend some items that already exist there.

    I think NOVA is showing us that it is possible to make cost effective markers, I mean a cocker for $500 and thats all US made, I have a hard time believing we couldn't be having better entry level markers in the sub $200 range with overseas manufacturing (and frankly from having to source things from over seas, even mid tier manufactures seem to be able to do a pretty damn good job compared to the cost/quality we see with US made products).

    Another big area I think a lot of us would like to see again would be stacked tube markers. I am not sure I am convinced that spools are really the only good answer for efficiency and easy of maintenance. I think a properly designed FASOR marker could provide a really good quality marker that has even easier maintenance, while matching efficiency numbers of the spots. With a FASOR there is no reason you couldnt and wouldn't just go back to the "put oil in the ASA and shoot" (I mean you could also have it as a greased marker just to avoid that and it may require less servicing still than a spool as well). If you used one of the modern 11/16 valves like a Laz valve, it would easily hit 18 shots per CI if not more since we see those numbers on cockers and you would be using half of the air about that is used for cycling cocker pneumatics. Additionally with some of the trigger valve designs we have now it could even likely be made as a mech (and/or have options for both mech and electro options)... hmmm I really need a mill and lathe, this would be a super fun project.

    I also agree with some of the comments about needing to get lower cost of play. Shooting even a full case a day is not something that is going to keep people coming out every weekend. Unless you are lucky to be in an area with really cheap paint, $50-70 plus what ever field fees is going to be a pretty common cost for a day. We need to have growth in pump and slower mechs, and have fields be able to to get the turnout to support the pump play. Of course thats a big catch 22 between the cost of having pumps for rentals and getting enough people out to be able to have separate games for pump players and all. However if you had a company make a cost effective entry level pump and then even just provide rentals to a field for free or on a long term payment plan you could slowly grow that in a lot of areas. It's a lot easier to get someone to buy a bag of paint and pay for field fees and come out more, but the fields need to see the volume to be willing to push that.

    And the last ones I will point at needing to be done is a damn proflex frame that can actually quick change the lenses that actually works with the rest of the profilex parts and som damn proflex ears that actually cover your earlobes without having to double strap and orient the mask just right.

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    • SR_matt
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      I would be interested with the E-Flex info. I've seen people swap the lowers but I just didnt like the way the profile lowers fit on the e-flex frames (felt like the gap where the eyes of the lens dip was kinda big and could let paint shoot right up into the lower vents of the lens frame if hit right there).

      granted with the new e-vent that came out that is the hard lower I you like that style that is at least a stock option now. I actually like the E-flex ears fine from a functions and point, granted I havent taken a direct hit int eh ear with them so maybe they are softer than I would want but they dont seem worse than any other ear.

      yeah the questions round big companies backing pump play is a big one. if you can show that it would drive more people and ultimately sell more paint then it could make business sense for them. but you would need to have at least 2-4x the number of days played probably to meet their current sales... and then you also have the issue of people using pumps with auto triggers which kinda defeats the purpose of playing pump.

    • $L!mBo

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      SR_matt here ya go

      In another thread, I was asked about how I modify my JT bottoms and hard ears, along with eflex frames to make all the parts compatible. JT bottoms were advertised as being interchangeable with eflex frames, BUT the holes in the eflex frames, particularly for the nose pegs, are slightly too large for the mounting pegs on JT

    • SR_matt
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      Ah yep, after I replied I realized it was probably that same post.

      The simper way I’ve seen to get a better fit on the front posts was from The Inflicted here and he said just to put electrical tape over the pins. I do like your way though even though I feel like I would totally screw that up haha.

      Yeah I may have to get another lower and look at it again, I just really wasn’t liking the exposure of the vent holes on the bottom but maybe I am over thinking it.

    #53
    a single pane lens that NEVER fogs up and is never more than $10/each

    one of the biggest hurdles in making sure the rental crowd is enjoying themselves. imho, they are a very important demographic to field profits and "my mask keeps fogging up" is the number one complaint i hear from folks who are renting.

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    • SR_matt
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      Ehhh, the v force lenses worked fine… until they didn’t or until you touched them. Then they fogged. That was one of the reasons I stopped using mine and switched to the original vents empire had. Well that and I also caught a ball under the edge and it split the side of my jaw open.

    • $L!mBo

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      mouth shots are always brutal. i caught one at almost point blank last year, shot into my mouth and cut my tongue good!

    • $L!mBo

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      i would hope some of these companies have the foresight to understand that a good anti fog rental lens is the best way to get folks to come back and become a potential customer.
      a serious player will still want their own mask, with the fancy colorful parts and mirror lens and comfy foam. pretty much how things are now. nobody buys the rental mask and puts a thermal lens in it.
      and the more return rentals, the more paint sales.
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