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    Originally posted by moving_target View Post

    All 2k+ standard are 9/16. Trilogy bodies were 11/16
    Ok I had it backwards thanks

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      Some things I’ve noticed on laz. Currently in a 2k1 black magic bored out by angry. Also his jenni Kraig and spring. They work well, both of them. The issue I’ve seen with the jenni Kraig is figment in the lower tube. If there is any resistance on the hammer as it goes through the tube it won’t hit velocity. I’ve also had my hammer swell when my gun sits in full sun for about 10 mins. It’s never happened on the field while in use, but sitting still laid on its side in full sun caused it to swell. I took an old cocking rod screwed into the hammer and then chucked it in my drill and hit it with coarse grit sandpaper then smoothed it back out with fine grit up to 1000 grit. The hammer needs to be able to drop through the lower tube without hangin up. Also the u-cup, with that in and with a barrel muffler on I would have weird pops when rapid firing like the valve wasn’t completely closing or opening. I changed this to 009 70d and did not have this issue anymore, and I personally think this may have helped with some efficiency. I have now put 2-3 cases through it and I trust it. Mine is in the neighborhood of 200-220 psi about 2-2 1/2 turns in on the IVG. One cool thing is I critically tune mine based on paint to barrel matching, and had an issue this past weekend where a .675 barrel was having roll outs. I didn’t need to change springs to get into being able to shoot field velocity. The HPR just increased to 275 psi and made it work all day. Also the cascade of effects down to lower lpr pressure, and frame spring rates decreasing allows for really smooth frames and guns without diminishing your efficiency. That was always a trade off before, but not so much now. I get roughly 400-500 shots per 1000 psi in my 80ci tank. So there is that little benefit. I like it, seems to be smoother and less violent in the cycle than all my other cockers at similar pressures.

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        The more people mess with these laz valves and the Jenni kraig it seems like they aernt really worth the headache you could get with them, might just go with ST or just stock lowers

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          I think with any new product, especially a radical departure from previous products, there’s always a learning curve. If the laz is something you’re interested in, rest assured it works. As far as the exploration of finding its most ideal setup in the autococker we are still working into that. Shocktech lowers are certainly proven and work well and give you a lot of the benefits of the laz. Lower operating pressure, lower lpr pressure, and decent efficiency. They are definitely solid. I would go full shocktech lowers tho. Springs, valve, and hammer.

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            I built a Trilogy out of junk today. This was converted to pump years ago, but converted it back to semi-auto today. Used a 04 Prostock hinge frame, Gog Enmey reg, 3d printed back block and a bolt from a Psycho Ballistics lightning. The rest was stock Trilogy. Added the lovely new valve (That silly front spring and washers was long gone)! The original valve O-rings and LPR O-rings had all turned to jelly, so a full clean and rebuild was had. The reg was maxxed out- 300psi??? Not enough in it to work on most of my cockers. The stock spring and IVG were around 7 turns in from flush and I was hitting between 275-283 with six month old paint (Originally bored at .677 but had swelled to .681). Used a HK army one piece .681 barrel. I hand pumped my 13ci 3k bottle with a PCP pump (260ish pumps by the way) to bang on 3000psi. I got 153 shots across my bedroom into a pillowcase. Didn't really notice any drop off over 30feet- gun feels amazing! By comparison, my magfed Tippmann gets 80ish shots from the same bottle.

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            • MrBarraclough
              MrBarraclough commented
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              A GoG eNMEy reg should max out around 200psi, unless you shim the spring in the overpressure relief valve to let it run hot. Then you might get 250 or even 300 before it starts venting from overpressure relief. The little internal hoses in an eNMEy aren't rated much above 200, if even that (they're basically cocker LPR hoses). Because the eNMEy was meant to at least tolerate CO2, the HPR was designed to vent any overpressure to protect the internals.

              The little spring in the overpressure relief system tends to lose strength with age, so it starts to vent at lower than desired pressures. My workaround for this has been to drop a 005 or 006 o-ring into the little brass cup in which that spring sits to shim it and give it a bit more resistance. That lets you use the full range of the HPR without triggering an overpressure vent, but that range still has a pretty low top end since you'd never have a reason to feed an eNMEy more than 200psi. It's the same HPR that was inherited from the eNVy.

            Originally posted by Cyrus-the-virus View Post
            Anyone know when these will be back in stock?
            I saw dozens listed on ebay yesterday or the day before by actionvillage.

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              Can anyone point me to a complete list of cockers that those will fit it? I'm looking for a full body cooker (back block) that I can build myself.

              Tyvm for the help

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              • Cdn_Cuda

                Cdn_Cuda

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                If it’s a WGP body these valves will not fit. They will not fit 2k5 Black Magic, despite the body using an 11/16 valve. They will fit a trilogy cocker bodies and Empire Sniper/Resurrections though.

                If you want to build a standard cocker with a balance valve you can look at Nova’s balanced valve though.

              So. Now that I've finally had a chance to shoot mine.

              Tactical trilogy, with the JC hammer spring combo.

              Pre set my regulator to 200 psi. And tried to adjust to 290 fps on the IVG. I had the IVG 4.5 turns in to get to 260.

              At this point I didn't like it. I also didnt have a reg tester to see where I was. I tried to increase the Input pressure some. That seemed to drop my velocity. I backed off on my IVG to just about flush. And I backed off on input about a quarter turn ( evil detonator)

              Put it all back together and it was in the 270 range. 1.5 turns or so on the IVG got me into the 290s.

              I put my pug on a tester after the fact, and it seems to be a solid 180 psi.
              https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forum/b...khaus-feedback

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              • MrBarraclough
                MrBarraclough commented
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                Sounds like the Lazarus might be precisely the solution to my problem of my Trilogy Comp not wanting to shoot above 240 with an Inception IVG cranked all the way in and the stock reg outputting around 250psi. I can get up to the 280s only by switching back to the stock IVG since it can go a couple more turns before bottoming out.

              • superman

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                Have you tried sweet spotting the reg? does it actually peak at 250? are you using the stock main spring? the inception springs are longer.
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