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  • Luscious
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    I built a Trilogy out of junk today. This was converted to pump years ago, but converted it back to semi-auto today. Used a 04 Prostock hinge frame, Gog Enmey reg, 3d printed back block and a bolt from a Psycho Ballistics lightning. The rest was stock Trilogy. Added the lovely new valve (That silly front spring and washers was long gone)! The original valve O-rings and LPR O-rings had all turned to jelly, so a full clean and rebuild was had. The reg was maxxed out- 300psi??? Not enough in it to work on most of my cockers. The stock spring and IVG were around 7 turns in from flush and I was hitting between 275-283 with six month old paint (Originally bored at .677 but had swelled to .681). Used a HK army one piece .681 barrel. I hand pumped my 13ci 3k bottle with a PCP pump (260ish pumps by the way) to bang on 3000psi. I got 153 shots across my bedroom into a pillowcase. Didn't really notice any drop off over 30feet- gun feels amazing! By comparison, my magfed Tippmann gets 80ish shots from the same bottle.

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  • Fuegoman
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    I think with any new product, especially a radical departure from previous products, there’s always a learning curve. If the laz is something you’re interested in, rest assured it works. As far as the exploration of finding its most ideal setup in the autococker we are still working into that. Shocktech lowers are certainly proven and work well and give you a lot of the benefits of the laz. Lower operating pressure, lower lpr pressure, and decent efficiency. They are definitely solid. I would go full shocktech lowers tho. Springs, valve, and hammer.

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  • Psycho91
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    The more people mess with these laz valves and the Jenni kraig it seems like they aernt really worth the headache you could get with them, might just go with ST or just stock lowers

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  • Fuegoman
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    Some things I’ve noticed on laz. Currently in a 2k1 black magic bored out by angry. Also his jenni Kraig and spring. They work well, both of them. The issue I’ve seen with the jenni Kraig is figment in the lower tube. If there is any resistance on the hammer as it goes through the tube it won’t hit velocity. I’ve also had my hammer swell when my gun sits in full sun for about 10 mins. It’s never happened on the field while in use, but sitting still laid on its side in full sun caused it to swell. I took an old cocking rod screwed into the hammer and then chucked it in my drill and hit it with coarse grit sandpaper then smoothed it back out with fine grit up to 1000 grit. The hammer needs to be able to drop through the lower tube without hangin up. Also the u-cup, with that in and with a barrel muffler on I would have weird pops when rapid firing like the valve wasn’t completely closing or opening. I changed this to 009 70d and did not have this issue anymore, and I personally think this may have helped with some efficiency. I have now put 2-3 cases through it and I trust it. Mine is in the neighborhood of 200-220 psi about 2-2 1/2 turns in on the IVG. One cool thing is I critically tune mine based on paint to barrel matching, and had an issue this past weekend where a .675 barrel was having roll outs. I didn’t need to change springs to get into being able to shoot field velocity. The HPR just increased to 275 psi and made it work all day. Also the cascade of effects down to lower lpr pressure, and frame spring rates decreasing allows for really smooth frames and guns without diminishing your efficiency. That was always a trade off before, but not so much now. I get roughly 400-500 shots per 1000 psi in my 80ci tank. So there is that little benefit. I like it, seems to be smoother and less violent in the cycle than all my other cockers at similar pressures.

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  • Trbo323
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    Originally posted by moving_target View Post

    All 2k+ standard are 9/16. Trilogy bodies were 11/16
    Ok I had it backwards thanks

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  • moving_target
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    Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong but all 2k+ are 11/16 right?

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    All 2k+ standard are 9/16. Trilogy bodies were 11/16

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  • superman
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    They are not. Standard wgp bodies are 9/16.

  • Trbo323
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but all 2k+ are 11/16 right?

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  • tyronejk
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    Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
    Oh come on, one of you guys has to have an answer on this. Or at a minimum has already installed one in a WGP body

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    "Because most wgp bodies are not 11/16 even the ones that are, may not be bored deep enough."

    To add to that, I think Billy Wing talked about this in a video and (if I remember correctly) some WGP bodies are bored deep enough to use this valve but some aren't, so to cover their bases, they're just saying they're not compatible.

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  • BrickHaus
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    Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
    Oh come on, one of you guys has to have an answer on this. Or at a minimum has already installed one in a WGP body

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    You and that stoopid tapatalk app... super man commented on this, haha.

    It's because MOST wgp bodies are 9/16th bore. so the valve wokt work in em.

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  • Trbo323
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    Originally posted by Trbo323 View Post
    Hey I just saw on the dye site, they specifically say these won't work in WGP Bodies except for the trilogy.

    Why? I'm only assuming some of you guys already have these in WGP Bodies. I had never seen that before, anyone know what's up with it?

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    Oh come on, one of you guys has to have an answer on this. Or at a minimum has already installed one in a WGP body

    Sent from my motorola edge 5G UW (2021) using Tapatalk

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  • superman
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    Because most wgp bodies are not 11/16 even the ones that are, may not be bored deep enough.

  • Trbo323
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    Hey I just saw on the dye site, they specifically say these won't work in WGP Bodies except for the trilogy.

    Why? I'm only assuming some of you guys already have these in WGP Bodies. I had never seen that before, anyone know what's up with it?

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  • dkfactor
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    I had to use a stock autococker spring with my Jenny Craig hammer also. The spring that came with the hammer was way to soft.

  • Jivesauce
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    Ah got ya, yeah I think I used a different spring than what came with the Jenny Craig hammer to dial in the velocity.
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