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Old 11-09-2017, 02:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sidewinder Reg Seat Questions

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Am putting together a complete, lifetime supply rebuild kit for my Sidewinder, and am wondering about the reg seat.

Seems absurd to have to buy an expensive, elaborately machined, anodized aluminum and steel part, just to replace a tiny rubber bit that costs a couple of pennies.

I've been led to understand that the DYE Hyper reg seats are essentially identical, and can be used to replace these.

If these are pressed in, even with an adhesive for good measure, then why can't they be removed and a new seat pressed in?

Fortunately I don't have to worry about it now, but it's helpful to know for future reference.

I'm curious to see if anyone has ever tried this, and can confirm.

Thanks very kindly!
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Old 11-09-2017, 02:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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solution being purchase the sst sidewinder. reg seat is a urethane oring that i think is a 90 hardness.
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Old 11-09-2017, 03:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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So, let me understand this.

We just went from purchasing an item costing tens of dollars to purchasing an entirely new regulator (that I don't need or want), all to deal with a little piece of rubber that I can acquire cheaply and easily?
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Old 11-09-2017, 04:00 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I guess that was a big stretch.


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i beleive its the manner by which the elaborately machined and anodized stainless steel and aluminum peice is formed around the piece of urethane that makes it impossible to remove without destroying the part

aka had a habit of making things that were a bit over engineered from the sandpoint of replaceability, but i think it was from the thought process of, "its easier to replace the whole thing rarely than have to dig out a worn piece and potentially ruin the whole assembly, so well just make it extra durable and replace the whole thing.. sorta like what happens with a tornado valve seat..
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I would point out that "lifetime" supplies of rubber and plastic components have a tendency to go bad within a few years to an unusable point...unless you like bubble gum. Buying large stocks of purpose fit rings and seals is a mistake.
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Found my answers.

In case anyone reads this in future, yes, the AKA seats are totally replaceable, and the DYE seats will indeed work and have been used successfully in this application.

Also, the DYE seats that work best are from the older kits (05-08), and seem not to degrade with age, and indeed, are even now, ten years old, far superior to their brand-new counterparts, as of a large batch run by DYE this year, and tested by some other folk.

The old AKA seats come out easily by spiking, and the new seats are easily pressed in, though the DYE seats are a bit thinner (by about .040), and need to be shimmed to bring them up to proper height.

Probably AKA will sell just new seats, but if not, this works just fine.
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So, let me understand this.

We just went from purchasing an item costing tens of dollars to purchasing an entirely new regulator (that I don't need or want), all to deal with a little piece of rubber that I can acquire cheaply and easily?
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Found my answers.

In case anyone reads this in future, yes, the AKA seats are totally replaceable, and the DYE seats will indeed work and have been used successfully in this application.

Also, the DYE seats that work best are from the older kits (05-08), and seem not to degrade with age, and indeed, are even now, ten years old, far superior to their brand-new counterparts, as of a large batch run by DYE this year, and tested by some other folk.

The old AKA seats come out easily by spiking, and the new seats are easily pressed in, though the DYE seats are a bit thinner (by about .040), and need to be shimmed to bring them up to proper height.

Probably AKA will sell just new seats, but if not, this works just fine.
thats some solid info, thanks for doing the legwork!
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Old 11-16-2017, 06:33 PM   #10 (permalink)
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My pleasure.

Just got in my 'new' old stock DYE '05-'08 reg seats, and they are absolutely fantastic. Perfect condition, look like they were just cut, and having seen the difference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkpiH6eH9iU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBBVVDjcVkY

It's clear that these are good ones, and should work very nicely.
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