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Old 09-06-2017, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Spreading mag fed/limited paint

So I have a problem ish not really. I am the one Of like three at my field that play limited paint. I either run pumps with stock class feeds my phantom or mag fed. I want to spread the idea of limited paint with the pumps I'm fine just handing them to people and letting them play. As they have free air and the person usually uses their own paint. I have been buying Tiberius pistols to try and make it so we can run some three on three games. this is where my problem is. The t8s run on magazine with and co2 in them. I have been using Leland co2 that I bought off here at 50 cents a piece makeing each round cost me three dollars. A game is 2 rounds so $6 per game. Say we play 4 games. That's $24 or to me half a case of paint. Would it be rude to ask for people to chip in or should I just eat the extra cost because I'm the one who wants to spread mag fed/ limited paint play?
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Old 09-06-2017, 05:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Buy a case of 10 round tubes and some cheap shotgun belts. Hand out belts + 10 tubes each to people. They can cram and jam their semis and even space guns with 10 round tubes and play limited that way.

Avoids turning some away by offering pumps and attracts others by letting them still use their markers. Also decreases overall cost to you.
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Old 09-06-2017, 11:43 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks might be the new game plan
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I'm not sure pistol is the way to go to introduce people to mag fed.

It's fun for sure, had some great time running around with my T8 this last weekend, but it's quite a bit more difficult to go from a "standard" paintball gun setup to a mag fed pistol than it is to go from "standard" to a full sized mag fed gun. The number of eliminations I was making went way up when I switched over to my HPA powered and shouldered MK5 (forgot my 13ci tank too, luckily it's setup for bottom line air so my 70ci was still usable).

One idea is to start hording those Model98 mag fed adapters, the ones that stick a mag well where the hopper elbow went, especially if your local field happens to rent 98's. Still a familiar form factor, don't have to adjust to a stock hitting your mask all of a sudden, just a good old bottom line with the air tanks that the player most likely already has.
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:08 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I figured the t8s would work because it would be smaller games with fake less paint to just spray and pray. Plus there is a small urban field that pistols work far better than full sized markers in
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Old 09-07-2017, 09:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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If you're going in a gradual limitation of paint, you may consider challenging them to the following progression:

Reducing # or size of pods they carry.
Eliminating pods and just playing hopper ball.
Using smaller hoppers. (full sized vs 100, then 50)
Cram and jam.
Et cetera...

I don't know if any of this would work, but it would let them use their own stuff to find a comfortable level of limitation. This might appeal to their practical "left brain".

If you want to really hook people, you'll want to approach them via the emotional "right brain". I recommend researching Simon Sennick and "Start With Why", as well as Seth Godin and his blog on permission marketing (to build a "tribe").
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Old 09-07-2017, 12:04 PM   #7 (permalink)
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There is nothing "rude" about asking folks to pay their fair share. In fact I would say it is "rude" to expect you to be so generous as to foot everyone's 12 gram cost.

Let the players know your break even cost and ask them to cover it.

Other than that there are several limitied paint ideas in this thread that are great alternatives.

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There is nothing "rude" about asking folks to pay their fair share. In fact I would say it is "rude" to expect you to be so generous as to foot everyone's 12 gram cost.

Let the players know your break even cost and ask them to cover it.

Other than that there are several limitied paint ideas in this thread that are great alternatives.
Yeah, but if you're doing a "Hey you should really try this out! It's a lot of fun!" asking for money afterward would be kind of a dick move. Asking for money beforehand would likely make people say "forget that!" and just continue playing the way they're comfortable.

It's his baby. He should probably pay for it if it's important to him.
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Old 09-08-2017, 04:06 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Instead of buying T8s, what about the TiPX? At least that way you're using only one 12 gram and mags are a lot cheaper too. If you want to avoid 12 grams altogether, how about something like a Bolt or a Blizzard? If you have any old Tippmann guns lying around, you can convert them to mag fed for only about $80 each. You can run them with a 13/3k or they can even use their own tank.
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I prefer the Tiberius Arms series of guns over the Tippmann TiPX, but if you are loaning them out to people the TiPX are much easier to maintenance and less likely to screw up in inexperienced hands. For that matter if they are your guns, your air, your paint, and you constantly cleaning, maintaining and keeping those guns in tip-top shape, then asking for a little bit of money should be understood. Like the drug-dealer model, the first 'hit" is free.
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