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Old 12-01-2017, 02:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Symbolic expression is always more precise than written sentences, since in writing there is interpretation.
I was trying to help my daughter with her math once. She said "that's not how I interpret it." She did not like my followup answer.
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Incorrect parsing from mathematics to english. Think apples and boxes.

You have 3 apples per box, but no boxes (3x0), you have no apples.

You have 0 apples per box, and 3 boxes (0x3), you have no apples.

Thus 0x3=3x0

Symbolic expression is always more precise than written sentences, since in writing there is interpretation. You may interpret "multiply zero times" as "x0", but I interpret it as "don't multiply it" or "x1", since you're not increasing the number, just maintaining the amount already present.

Symbolic mathematics are as close to objective truth as is possible. Our spoken language is not.
I reject your observation, and continue to regard mine as factual.
My reason?
Nowhere in the equation does a "box" appear. No symbols. No instructions regarding how I should think. The equation simply states 3X0=3. Clear. Concise. 3X0=3. Nothing more.
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:56 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I reject your observation, and continue to regard mine as factual.
My reason?
Nowhere in the equation does a "box" appear. No symbols. No instructions regarding how I should think. The equation simply states 3X0=3. Clear. Concise. 3X0=3. Nothing more.
Dude i feel you. i have 12 semesters of math behind me and this still drive me bunkers. I finally had to accept it haha.

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I reject your observation, and continue to regard mine as factual.
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Nowhere in the equation does a "box" appear. No symbols. No instructions regarding how I should think. The equation simply states 3X0=3. Clear. Concise. 3X0=3. Nothing more.
But 3X0=0

3, x, 0, = are all symbols. They are instructions. They don't tell you how to think, they tell you what IS. Your opinion on it doesn't matter.

3, positive integer representing an amount.

X (or in more advanced usage the proper symbol would be *), symbol of multiplication, signifying a mathematical operation that at its simplest is an abbreviated process of adding an integer to zero a specified number of times. (definition direct from Merriam-Webster)

= symbol indicating result.

So 3X0 literally means take zero, and add 3 to it zero times with a result of zero.
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So 3X0 literally means take zero, and add 3 to it zero times with a result of zero.
I disagree. The equation clearly reads "3" first. Indicating there are three of something.
Then "X", the symbol for multiplication, then "0", the number of times the three of something should be multiplied.

You still have three of something, because they are multiplying zero times.
Matter cannot be completely destroyed, unless you use the fantasy of mathematics.
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Old 12-02-2017, 03:17 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Or there's the spontaneous generation of matter:
You don't owe three people three apples each - but with the magic of math you can summon nine apples from the ether.
-3 x -3 = 9.

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I disagree. The equation clearly reads "3" first. Indicating there are three of something.
Then "X", the symbol for multiplication, then "0", the number of times the three of something should be multiplied.

You still have three of something, because they are multiplying zero times.
Matter cannot be completely destroyed, unless you use the fantasy of mathematics.
Incorrect.

The first 3 doe NOT indicate that you start with something.

In fact, the order that number appear in multiplication is irrelevant. 2x3 is identical to 3x2. It's known as The Commutative Property of Multiplication.

Plus a number isn't matter, it's a symbol. Symbols cancel out all the time, nothing gets "destroyed" by it.

Another way to think of it, replace the symbol X with the words, "groups of".

3 groups of zero, (so 0+0+0) means you have a total of zero. Zero groups of 3 (so, obviously nothing) is zero.

I have no idea where your claim of "number of times the three of something should be multiplied" comes from. Literally the sentence is missing a part. 3 multiplied by 2 one time is 6 (3+3), 3 multiplied by 2 twice is 12 (3+3,+3+3).
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So he divided by zero did he... what a punk

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