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Old 01-15-2019, 08:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lol I saw that. He originally posted it for like $12,000. Seems he has had a change of mind

Even at $20 each though, you still need to sink another $10 or so just to get a ASA on them and then you have......a functioning 50cal paperweight


Did Tippmann even make a 50 cal carver one ?. Im getting old but those in the CL post look like .68 cal.

Thought they only made the ft and cronus and the tmc in 50 cal. But i could easily be wrong.

Edit: Someday im gonna learn how to quote properly.
O don't think a Carver one 50 cal was sold to the public but tippmann will do things different for fields sometimes so I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe I'll go look at them next time I'm in the area
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Old 01-16-2019, 01:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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If that hydro... something-or-ever solid paintball ever became a reality that probably would have made .50 cal a real contender. Bump the velocity up to 400-450 to get the same range as .68 and now you've nearly got the perfect hybrid of paintball and airsoft.
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Old 01-16-2019, 03:26 PM   #23 (permalink)
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The indoor places here use 50 for rentals exclusively. Range, accuracy, and clean breaks are all pretty poor. But we still have fun.

Luckily, they have a 68 cal "gun owner" night that I can play with my own gear.

I'm hopeful those kids with their space dildos will make me a better speedball player.......................
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Old 01-16-2019, 03:50 PM   #24 (permalink)
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If that hydro... something-or-ever solid paintball ever became a reality that probably would have made .50 cal a real contender. Bump the velocity up to 400-450 to get the same range as .68 and now you've nearly got the perfect hybrid of paintball and airsoft.
Solid? The only ones in aware of like this are, I think the JT branded ones, you basically have to hydrate them yourself.

May not be JT, I just did a Google search and could not find them. JT does make a specific paint called the "hydro" though, not to be confused with what I'm talking about

Hydrating your own "paint", as you can imagine, leads to horrifying results considering performance.

They were basically like those "grow a dinosaur" kids novelties but you were supposed to shoot them when they are done
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Old 01-16-2019, 10:59 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Richmond Italia signed a non-compete clause specific to .68 caliber paint when he left draxxus. IIRC it was a 2 year clause.
That's it, that's the only reason. Any other explanation comes from someone who bought the BS.



Yup, expect GI themselves who've come out on top of the industry. Maybe I was wrong and ther was more than one reason...
This is pretty much the core of the story. I will add though that the overall plan included trying to fuel paintball growth in countries that have joule impact limits (i.e. some parts of asia, etc) that were seeing big growths in airsoft, and regular paintball couldn't get a foothold. They royally screwed up when they made the BS performance claims which myself and painthappy, and a few others crunched numbers on.

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Also that dude Mike futilelips, ,, Phillips from douchePB was trying to shove it down everyone's throats ..
Actually, he was just 100% a fan of the .50 as he was First Strike rounds, and for completely different reasons (he never bought into the nonsense that Italia and others were spouting). I'm of a similar mind- I believe that recreational, woodsball/MagFed/paintball becomes much more interesting if you have a diversity of projectiles on the field, as they (.50, FS, .68) all have differing strengths and limitations to bring to the field.
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Solid? The only ones in aware of like this are, I think the JT branded ones, you basically have to hydrate them yourself.

May not be JT, I just did a Google search and could not find them. JT does make a specific paint called the "hydro" though, not to be confused with what I'm talking about

Hydrating your own "paint", as you can imagine, leads to horrifying results considering performance.

They were basically like those "grow a dinosaur" kids novelties but you were supposed to shoot them when they are done
LOL no no no...

They were called Hydrotec.
https://youtu.be/FOecOcVU-MY

Used Corn Starch and a foam kinda fill. They worked in their infancy and might have been pretty good after a few revisions.
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this was an interesting read. I remember getting my Bob Long G6R and seeing a .50cal setting. How the hell was that supposed to work any ways? did you need to buy a new barrel and an insert for the upper tube???
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this was an interesting read. I remember getting my Bob Long G6R and seeing a .50cal setting. How the hell was that supposed to work any ways? did you need to buy a new barrel and an insert for the upper tube???
Yes, insert, bolt and barrel and probably the 50cal mode just really reduced the dwell
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.50 private parties from ages 8 on their birthday to groups of guys or girls on their bachelor(ette) parties account for a slice of the business pie for fields offering it. does it fly or break as well as 68 ... no - but it "plays" as well if not better IMO and I can have two fields of usable size in the same space as I could one for 68 but that is also not the demographic it is trying to get onto the field spending their money. I can fill the Tippy(GI) hopper with roughly 300 rounds(most parties start off with 200) fill their 48ci tanks to 3k and run their FTs out of paint and still be above or at 2k - with the party only running a game or two roughly a half hour of time played out of their allotted 2 hours and they are up buying more paint and having a blast doing so.

This is costing me less in overall time and paint cost so I am making more to keep the lights on for another day I am able to upgrade / build more fields and book more parties

so far no downside to the .50 if used and viewed as another form of revenue - like archery tag or lazer tag or airsoft

Adding .50 open play this year

the "industry" trying to swap over from 68 to 50 was born to fail and a mistake from the get go as others have stated - integrating it properly is another matter entirely IMO and a way to draw more in to try to keep it all going - just like the "magfed" and a "return" to mech play that is starting to trend.
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When I started doing shells for my revolvers the apparent thing i noticed was the hole size in the cartridge controlled the velocity of my paint.
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i remeber it was cheap. you get more paint for the money. like 6000 balls vs the 2000 but at some point the price changed to being 3 times as much so they were the same price so what was the point then to shoot 50 cal. but i guess fields dint really no how to regulate it.

i think this sums it up...1200 balls in 1 hopper. although i think it could have been really cool just thing at how small of markers you could make and the cost savings it would bring. on the other hand what about all the thousands 68 cal markers. the owners would not let them die with out a fight.
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