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Old 02-04-2009, 10:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
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And that is all that matters! We often try to squeeze the best efficiency, but how many people really push it to the end of the 12 gram in a real game situation? Go with what you are best at shooting.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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In tourney play with 12 gram I always changed after 15 to 20 shots just to keep as much of a full charge as possible.Also droped in fresh 12 gram when ever there was a lull in the shooting.
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nothing to do with efficiency but my issue with the slam changer and in grip are occasionaly you would get a stuck twelve gram and have to tear down the grip frame ive had that problem with my box gun
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:10 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Direct to the valve with as short a path as possible is the most efficient... so that would equate to in the grip or a drop out changer (No ASA). the ASA adds path length, and therefore room for expansion prior to the valve. If you could get Mike (CCI) to do a bucket straight off a dropout changer then you'd get the best of both worlds.

For a phantom, the vert air in front of the trigger guard with a 12gr is the least efficient of all.

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Old 02-04-2009, 11:42 AM   #15 (permalink)
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The valve on the Redux seems huge to me as well.

I cant recall popping open other valves to compare it to but there is a lot of space in the Redux valve.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:51 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That's a good point, it does seem big. I've been thinking of getting a good low range scale for a bit, once I buy it I'll weight the valve on it's own, then fill it with water and weight it again. I can do the same for my Phantom and Mini Comp, see what sort of internal volume we're dealing with between all 3.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:53 AM   #17 (permalink)
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If someone had time and access to a lather and material, they could certianly make a valve that is a sipper (very small volume) that still shoots at playing speed. I think you would almost want to mimmick a liquid gun, like a montneel..... basically have almost all of the expansion of the liquid occuring in the breach behind the ball rather than in the valve itself.

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Old 02-04-2009, 01:07 PM   #18 (permalink)
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just do like B says and cut down some delrin pieces to put inside the valve chamber to devolumize it.
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Or you can do that

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I remember Punisher mentioning 22lr shells filled with wax are perfect for valve spacers. Or something along those lines.
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