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Old 12-02-2019, 05:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My brother traded his Phantom for a Jcurt stock class half block build and I told him I'd get it tuned up for him. Right now the main spring included doesn't come remotely close to opening up the valve regardless of how many times I thread in the IVG. Are there specific springs for half-block guns? The one included looks clipped. I'm hoping to be able to rock this with direct 12 grams for Slim's games so I know there will be some fiddling involved. Any advice is appreciated

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Old 12-02-2019, 05:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Half blocks do not require specific springs. It's 99% likely the gun is set up to run on low pressure, and if you're trying to run on tank pressure you'd be way above the sweet spot. If you're planning on running on 12 grams, just throw a set of red/red springs and you should be right about where you need to be.

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Half blocking it shouldn't effect the springs. If it's turtled on the other hand, that will

Chances are someone cut it down though

Short term fixes, stretch it out or cut down a spyder spring

Long term fix is just get a new spring
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That's a really good point that did NOT occur to me, good one.

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Half blocking it shouldn't effect the springs. If it's turtled on the other hand, that will

Chances are someone cut it down though

Short term fixes, stretch it out or cut down a spyder spring

Long term fix is just get a new spring
I'm 99% sure it was cut. I have heard the term "turtling," but I'm not quite sure what that means. Is it half blocked and mini'd? I'll probably just grab a spring kit to make it easier for myself down the road.
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I'm 99% sure it was cut. I have heard the term "turtling," but I'm not quite sure what that means. Is it half blocked and mini'd? I'll probably just grab a spring kit to make it easier for myself down the road.
Neither.

Think of mini, but the back of the marker rather than the front.

Typically its only done on half blocks, you can cut down some of the lower tube as well

This is my cocker, I run a mq2 so I don't need to worry about spring and hammer spacing. Originally there is a spacer that comes with the mq2 but I decided that if I ran the IVG threads into the body a little more I could just take the spacer out and then cut about 2 inches off of the lower tube. My cocker can never go back to a spring and hammer setup because there simply is not enough room in the lower tube any moreName:  _DSC3869.jpg
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Is there a difference between turtling and midgeting?
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Ummmm, I don't think so actually now that I think about it
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As far as I understand, "turtling" only refers to cockers halfblocked by Turtleinnovations/ Robert "Turtle" Long, and has nothing to do with midgeting.
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Half blocking it shouldn't effect the springs. If it's turtled on the other hand, that will

Chances are someone cut it down though

Short term fixes, stretch it out or cut down a spyder spring

Long term fix is just get a new spring
This is technically correct. That said, what hammer is in it? If you are using a newer halfblock hammer (like a stanchy or ccm) you should be good.

Back in the day some people just milled stock hammers and that significantly lightened the hammers. That along with no cocking rod lessened the mass and some setups needed a stiffer hammer spring.

Of course lower your HPR first and go from there.
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This is technically correct. That said, what hammer is in it? If you are using a newer halfblock hammer (like a stanchy or ccm) you should be good.

Back in the day some people just milled stock hammers and that significantly lightened the hammers. That along with no cocking rod lessened the mass and some setups needed a stiffer hammer spring.

Of course lower your HPR first and go from there.
I swapped my half block with an ID mid block lower kit and it worked great.
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