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Old 06-28-2019, 11:06 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't know how the panels fit, but CZ wrap around grips fit fine on the 86 frames.

There are two versions of the CCM frames when it comes to grips though, and the fit is slightly different. I don't have both though so not sure how they differ exactly.
Interesting, thank you.

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I just pulled the grips off both frames and the fit is exactly the same. Fully interchangeable.

For reference I have a prototype mid-block and the newest version CCM phantom frame.

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Thanks! How old is the mid-block frame?

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CCM 86 hinge frame panels will not fit CCM 86 cocker slider.
Thank you for the info.
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Old 06-29-2019, 10:33 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks! How old is the mid-block frame?

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Its an MBP so I think the newest version of frames they have unless I missed something new that came out. No older than like 2015 Id say
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Old 06-29-2019, 12:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Its an MBP so I think the newest version of frames they have unless I missed something new that came out. No older than like 2015 Id say
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heres what i remember,

the regular frames that have been on CCM guns since they started doing the 86 took CZ-75 hogues, they switched over to delrin panels because they could be made in house, and then it was just a measure of material cost and machine time..
as opposed to paying wholesale prices for rubber grips that would get passed to the consumer (the grips cost $20, so the price goes up $20) the first run of phantom frames (and maybe the second) had some dimensional issues with the panel fit. i THINK CZ-75 grips will fit but they also might take a little trimming on the inner panel to get it to sit right

so in short, cocker 86 frame, CZ's are universal, panels might be a little iffy depending on if it a really old frame like a slider

phantom "lonestar adapter" frame, panels that it came with will always be a perfect fit, everything else might take a little trimming/dremmeling to get to fit correctly

found the post with bill's reply showing the differences with current gen panels on a phantom frame

https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/...ml#post2970360
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Old 07-06-2019, 03:43 AM   #15 (permalink)
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heres what i remember,

the regular frames that have been on CCM guns since they started doing the 86 took CZ-75 hogues, they switched over to delrin panels because they could be made in house, and then it was just a measure of material cost and machine time..
as opposed to paying wholesale prices for rubber grips that would get passed to the consumer (the grips cost $20, so the price goes up $20) the first run of phantom frames (and maybe the second) had some dimensional issues with the panel fit. i THINK CZ-75 grips will fit but they also might take a little trimming on the inner panel to get it to sit right

so in short, cocker 86 frame, CZ's are universal, panels might be a little iffy depending on if it a really old frame like a slider

phantom "lonestar adapter" frame, panels that it came with will always be a perfect fit, everything else might take a little trimming/dremmeling to get to fit correctly

found the post with bill's reply showing the differences with current gen panels on a phantom frame

https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/...ml#post2970360
Thanks! Unfortunately, this confirms that the Phantom panels aren't compatible with other 86 frames, so I'm not sure if I'll have the custom panels made. I'll think on it some more, though.
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Thanks! Unfortunately, this confirms that the Phantom panels aren't compatible with other 86 frames, so I'm not sure if I'll have the custom panels made. I'll think on it some more, though.
Only the original Phantom grips use slightly different panels. The newer Phantom frames use the same grip panels as a standard 86 frame that you could put on a cocker.
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Only the original Phantom grips use slightly different panels. The newer Phantom frames use the same grip panels as a standard 86 frame that you could put on a cocker.
That's some good news. It may be worth making the panels, then.
I appreciate the input, thanks.
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CCM 86 hinge frame panels will not fit CCM 86 cocker slider.
I agree totally with this

Slight changes but enough to make them not seat correctly
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