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Old 09-23-2017, 02:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Stickmagazine (FS ready)

Hi guys,
here id like to show you my prototype stickmagazine i would call it cause in german i would call it a "Stangenmagazin", FS ready and also well for paintballs cause no pressure in storage !

Well i try to explain all functions as well i can tell !!!

Start with loading:
Pull the floor(door) of the magazine to open and load rounds, to move by finger to next empty slot. Also may i go install a detent so FS or Paint stays in slot without marker turned for load !?!?!?

Pull the cocking handle(bolt) in back Position:
First the breach opens by rod 1.(with spring tip, which has enough movement and force to push the lift first and after close the breach), than the lift goes down and before reaching the end position a rod 2. will move the magazine each time the same lengh.

Will have a long cocking movement like on real firearms (ca. 6-8cm), i like to build me with a nice slim closed bolt sniper marker with bolt handle but a pump with long cocking movement would be nice too but i need to check first which marker would be best for and how many rounds would be enough etc. !?!?!?













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Old 09-23-2017, 04:35 PM   #2 (permalink)
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That is a cool design and I like that you did a prototype in sheet metal. As far as pumps your best option is any Nelson base gun that you can get cheep.

I do see one design oversight though. I take it you wanted to make that an under barrel magazine? If so here is you dilemma. All the nelson based guns that I can think of have mounting screws that hold the body to the trigger frame. Most have the fwd screw right at the bottom of the breach where the ball falls in. That really gets in the way of your elevator system. The second problem is that your empty chambers get in the way of the trigger and sear and then the aft mounting screw. The fwd mounting screw is not hard to move but the rest is more complicated. If you make the mag 90 degrees to the barrel like the British sten gun then you can also save yourself some problems.

I'd recommend a Thompson drum type magazine. Paint would be held in a sectioned ring that would rotate around the outside edge only. This leaves the middle section for your elevator system and for a mechanism to rotate the paint ring. Either a pump or a bolt action stroke could work everything. On the back stroke the elevator raises the paint from the ring while the bolt is pushed back and latches the hammer. As the action starts to move fwd and chambers the paint, the elevator drops. The fwd action could then advance the paint ring to get the next round in place. The elevator and ring advance could both be done with mini air actuators and controlled with AC 3ways. This would keep your pump or bolt action stroke short and smooth. The front cover can be taken off and all the paint sections could get filled at the same time.

Have you ever seen the feed system for the AT85 mag? If you put that chain just fwd of your elevator and used it to advance paint or FS rounds onto the elevator. The chain wraps around two sprockets one at the front of the mag tube and one just fwd of the elevator. The chain has little post that push the paint. A feed dog grabs and moves the chain in one direction only slipping over the links when moving in the other direction. The feed dog would be attached to the pump or bolt action. Since nothing moves past your elevator nothing would get in the way for the trigger.

Just a couple of thoughts that would need to get refined on the drawing board.
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Old 09-23-2017, 05:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I got a few Options of markers as engine, but my favorite is an E99(cause i got two of them) with disconnected bolt(like my semi pump sheridan) and a breach Forward. So bolt Action would be my choice im pretty shure !!! (I try get a pic of the plan soon)

I dont want to get to much distance between Barrel and Magazine so this helps at the end to have a real looking sniper paintball(FS) marker, with may 8 round Magazine i think this would be good enough !?!?!?
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:24 PM   #4 (permalink)
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OK heres the Setup pic, with E99 body, 16"Armson Barrel, Magazine lengh Setting is for 8 rounds.



Lengh from Barrel tip to Body end is ca. 80cm + stock, but i Need to think about her design first with tank inside or not etc. !?!?!?

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Old 09-23-2017, 08:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I love all of your creations. I'm excited to see updates!
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thank you, yeaahh me too !!!

I did a bit work on the breach Forward, i cut the tip of the stock(E99)Barrel. The Diameter of the Barrel fits perfect(like a Freak insert) into the housing of one of my hammer pumps so breach Forward done. I Count now with 10 rounds by my for the sniper Setup i would install a shoter may 5 round mag to get a better optic of the handguard area of the stock !?!?!?

Now im looking for some good material to build the final Magazine, best for free and strong enough too !





Pumpgun with pistol grip Setup(shorter Barrel than on sniper rifle Setup) shure if ... i go make a nice gasline inside the grip:


Bolt Action sniper Setup:


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I still havnt found the perfect free material for the final mag but there are other Jobs to do, too !!!

So i had a look for the stock design, so it will be a 6 Rounds capicity (may more cause of the final one design of) so it looks good, i think !!!
I Need to finish the bolt first cause he will get a Connection near the tip to make the Magazine mech work !







The complete lengh is about 114 cm and the bolt handle movement i set to 8cm(it feels great, much more difference to stock 2-3cm Paintballmarker movement, a pump would be cool too, may i go build a pumpkit for after im finished !?!?!?).
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So all marker modidications are done to have a Connection between bolt and the "Stickmagazine" alot file work !!!

The nut for connect the bolt with outside in front sits in a Hand filed extra sheetmetal with nut form which is sold on the extra Tube of the bolt.

As a single loader it would work already, i think i Name hear "S1".

The bolt got a incredible lengh of 39cm, but moves just 8cm !!!





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So ive cut the grip frame to get him flat and also installed the trigger behind. I used the stock trigger Switch(E99) and the modified(Tippmann TMC) stock trigger and some sheet metal and screws. Works that great, the switch release spring ist strong enough to push the trigger easy backwards.

The stock of my "SPYON" is just for deco on the pic and for me to have a closer to final look and test if and so on ... !

The ASA(ETEK1) will get finally screwed into the stock and get a perfect fit by some fiberglas.

The formed sheet metal thing is for the first cocking of the hammer, without installed bolt. The hammer bolt(old Connection) is hammered on one end, to get more diameter and than its pushed from inside with a special filed bolt, sits very well and if ... the bolt can only move direction hammer spring so its secured doesnt matter what happens !!!

I hope the final stickmagazine will get that well and Slim, for building a nice stock for !!!







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OK, ive bought some Alu-Profil material for the build !

Size is outside 25mm x 25mm and lengh 340mm so it holds 8 Rounds. The mag sections got 18mm x18mm x18mm size inside and each one is filed by Hand, i used glue for fit them on the connector sheet metal Piece.

The mechanic of the lift(i changed) and the movement link to pull each section will fit inside. I still Need to think about the last final function, of fit each mag section right under the feed neck, without having an ugly outsite mechanic.






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