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Old 12-22-2017, 05:38 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Am I missing something on Dye resale values?

I've been browsing a lot of BST threads recently, and I've noticed that Dye guns (The DAM notwithstanding) have completely **** the bed on resale value. Compared to other high-ends of a similar vintage and quality (IE, a DM versus an Ego), the resale values are $100+ less despite having a similar MSRP and performance.

I've never owned a Dye/Proto gun beyond an old PMR, but I've always found that they're great shooters so is there something behind the scenes I don't know about (Maintenance issues or something) that drive the price down, or is it just a factor of supply and demand that tanks the value?
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:49 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, when they release the same gun every single year for 15 years, it's going to tank resale.
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I've noticed this through the years, I think there are a few factors that kind of contribute

1) supply and demand, initial demand is high, everyone buys the latest and greatest but as time goes on, nobody wants a high end from 3 years ago that parts production is in question for

2) balanced spools take a little know how. They are not as simple as poppets and if you want to really get one running well you have to know what you are doing

3) dye doesn't have the fanboys that pe does. There is tons of hype around every ego, dye just kind of quietly releases their markers

4) there really hasn't been much improvement in the platform since arguably the dm7 until the release of the m2, I still shoot a dm6... It's almost 12 years old at this point

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Old 12-22-2017, 06:07 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Even the stickies on 'nation' warn about the resale issue/value loss on these.

Personally, I have loved the 'trix since Diablo and have no issue buying them for pennies on the dollar a couple of years later. Admittedly, I own a DM9 that I paid $200 bucks for needing all of $5 in parts and have yet to pull the trigger on a newer one. I can wait.
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Old 12-22-2017, 09:51 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I love my DM's but with the exception of the eyepipe and the Bwing bolt kit (which is just a polished bolt with bigger porting), there is no significant change from the DM6 to the Dm13.

That really helps to pretty much tank the resale, along with they even look the same from year to year.
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And the eye pipe is arguably more trouble than it's worth

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Old 12-22-2017, 10:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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The eyepipe in our current guns are much thicker than in previous installments.

The DSR was the first totally new marker we've launched in quite some time and my first project with dye. We're working hard to be the best and I think people will see big changes. Resale will improve over time.

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Old 12-22-2017, 11:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Resale will improve over time.
As someone who's bought exactly one brand new gun in 12 years of playing: DAMMIT
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Old 12-23-2017, 12:06 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The eyepipe in our current guns are much thicker than in previous installments.

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Yes it's now thicker but if it's just not part of the design, it's one piece that can not cause problems.

I'm sure dye has lots of patents on it but if it is such a better way of doing things then why does nobody else seem to have problems without it?

I think the real problem is at least for the markers and in the last 5 years or so, since proto shut down, dye makes stuff to be good for that year or at least doesn't have proto around to do the r&d work. The long term problems like the crack pipe do not get sorted out any longer because once they surface the stuff is already in production and dye is already working on the next model.

Stuff like the i4/5, rotor and not that they are produced any longer but just about all of the soft goods were well made and have stood the test of time because they were not produced every year, they were released when the design had all the kinks worked out

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Yes it's now thicker but if it's just not part of the design, it's one piece that can not cause problems.

I'm sure dye has lots of patents on it but if it is such a better way of doing things then why does nobody else seem to have problems without it?

I think the real problem is at least for the markers and in the last 5 years or so, since proto shut down, dye makes stuff to be good for that year or at least doesn't have proto around to do the r&d work. The long term problems like the crack pipe do not get sorted out any longer because once they surface the stuff is already in production and dye is already working on the next model.

Stuff like the i4/5, rotor and not that they are produced any longer but just about all of the soft goods were well made and have stood the test of time because they were not produced every year, they were released when the design had all the kinks worked out

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