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Old 09-14-2018, 11:25 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Do you find that using a C-bore barrel in addition to the ASP mod makes a big difference? I was hoping to avoid using inserts with my new Phantom.
I use inserts on my Revolution. Under bore the sizer, small step up to the freak, stepping up to the .686ish bore of the rest of the barrel.

On the phantom I rock the .681 Lapco and donít look back. Shoots lasers all day
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:25 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I'm used to cockers so efficiency isn't really paramount to me. I dislike insert systems and I know the ASP prevents rollouts too so I was hoping to get away with just that. I guess I could always try the ASP and add a new barrel if need be.


On my open class breech, I use the ASP detents and over bore. It comes with different sized o-rings for different paint size. I threw the big set in there and left it. In my experience underboring with inserts, Iíve had much more lateral spin than I care for with field paint. Of course thatís anecdotal, but the detents alone are good enough in my opinion.
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:46 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I use inserts on my Revolution. Under bore the sizer, small step up to the freak, stepping up to the .686ish bore of the rest of the barrel.

On the phantom I rock the .681 Lapco and donít look back. Shoots lasers all day
I love Lapco, unfortunately I want to use the pretty anno stock barrel

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On my open class breech, I use the ASP detents and over bore. It comes with different sized o-rings for different paint size. I threw the big set in there and left it. In my experience underboring with inserts, Iíve had much more lateral spin than I care for with field paint. Of course thatís anecdotal, but the detents alone are good enough in my opinion.
This is what I was hoping for, big ol' detents and call it a day. I underbore like crazy on bore drop guns and it works well, but breach drop is a whole new animal for me.
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Use it. I’m sure it’ll be just fine. Conversely, I had mine ano’d for just that reason
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Use it. Iím sure itíll be just fine. Conversely, I had mine anoíd for just that reason
Not in the budget at the mo' otherwise I would
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I run run rings and ASP. Probably overkill, but I'd also like to get a c-bore barrel.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:26 PM   #47 (permalink)
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I tried the rings and had terrible experience, almost gave up pump entirely because of it. Friend recommended ditching the rings and running with a tape mod, night and day difference for me. Not as accurate a shot as I might get out of a freak system but then that just means I need to get closer, right? A buddy runs his phantom with a python kit if I remember right and swears by it. Allows the same matching anno barrel and no permanent alterations either. I should probably get one some day.

Now I run mine normally in a vertical air setup but I throw on a 4oz tank for a bit more simplicity in my play. I'm one of the very few players in my area that plays pump on the regular so going full SC is a little suicidal some days, I'm not nearly that good! I do plan on getting one of those maxtac tanks once I remember to set the money aside and not spend it.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:00 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Do you find that using a C-bore barrel in addition to the ASP mod makes a big difference? I was hoping to avoid using inserts with my new Phantom.
From my experience, the C-bore barrel isn't as good as the regular barrel because today's paint isn't as consistent as it was 10 years ago.

I bought my Phantom new with 11 and 14 inch barrels that were C-bored from Mike at CCI. They didn't perform well with the best paint I can get locally unless I used the larger inserts, so I had Mike anodize some stock barrels for me. They are way better from my experience, at least.

I went on to spend over $500 on every Phantom barrel I could find and the best ones shot exactly like the stock (non C-bored) barrel from CCI because they were overbored. I have so many barrels, several of them have not been tried out yet.

Still unsatisfied, I went on to buy ASP's Roundhead body (because they became available again) so I could test out Autococker threaded barrels too. I have yet to find any that are significantly better than the regular (non C-bored) barrel from CCI. The Tightstick from pumppb.com is the best Autococker one I've shot so far.

It really is paint dependent, though. I only ever switch out the stock (non C-bored) barrel out to something else (usually the Tightstick) when it's not shooting lasers with the paint I have and the paint I shoot is dependent on what my semi shooting friends buy because I bum 200 rounds off of them when I play.

The ASP detent and the stock (non C-bored) barrel is my go to. If you want to waste your time with other barrels, I have a duffle bag of Phantom barrels to sell you.

To the original post: Phantoms are great. I went Phantom to get more of a challenge out of the game. I hated it the first time I tried it too, but after playing A LOT of paintball, I felt the need for a new challenge. Sounds like you do too.
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Oh something I forgot to mention earlier. It sounds like the OP has taken quite some time between the last try at a phantom and now. In that case go for it. Tastes and ability change. I know if I switched to pump any earlier than I did I don't think I would have liked it because I wasn't ready for the challenge. As others have said phantoms seem to hold value well and move quick enough if you decide to sell if it doesn't work out.
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I think two other things of note, if you want to try a phantom, most owners will let you give thiers a go, since there is not much you can screw up on it, I will bet 4 time out of 5 a phantom owner will say here use my spare because he owns at least 2 of them, and the community support of phantoms is crazy good, so many ppl in here will help you troubleshoot and issue, Mike will help you, see a guy on your local field with one chances are he will help you, or have spare parts etc. I think most owners go above and beyond from what I see because they are that loyal to the phantom themselves the shamelessly promote the hell out of them.
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