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Old 11-20-2018, 04:41 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Not saying "pew" under your breath every time you shoot.
so, just saying it in your head then?
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Why do I have to draw a line? Why devide the already niche game of paintball further?

I'm not saying you HAVE to, but that kind of is what this whole thread is about

What do YOU consider milsim.

If it's just all one big blob of grey quasi-milsim then sure, I guess that's one way to look at it.

The hardcore milsimmers want to be labeled as milsimmers, while others feel it's a somewhat derogatory term. So it doesn't matter what you choose because someone will be angry about it.
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Not saying "pew" under your breath every time you shoot.
Does saying "ploop" when using my PGP count?
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:54 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Milsim is the simulation of military equipment. It is a marketing gimmick to create a product line of accessories that make your marker appear more militaristic.

It's like fake nails but for your marker.

Mostly it is for people who want to play Army, but never served. Wearing that gear is horrendously uncomfortable and why people would willingly simulate that in a sport you can otherwise play in athletic shorts and a tshirt is beyond my comprehension.
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Old 11-20-2018, 05:35 PM   #55 (permalink)
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So in your opinion a marker has to be exactly modeled after a military counterpart to be considered milsim?
I'm not arguing I just find that interesting if that is correct


What if I'm dressed head to toe in military gear but am carrying a mr5? Am I not a milsim player?

What if I have a t68 but dress in speedball gear?

For that matter, what if I dress in military gear, carry a t68 but have painted it like a rainbow?
More just out of all the markers out there the 468 and T15 are as close to "simulation" as we can get today.

How you dress also doesn't dictate what you are, but if you wear military styled gear because you are directly modeling after soldiers, in the aim to simulate that, then sure, milsim.

I think it's more about the details between military simulation and scenario play. Dress code, radio discipline, and organization, with marker restrictions, would push a simulated feel to paintball. While scenario play uses those same concepts as more ideas to bring a game style to paintball.

Take Platoon Leader as a prime example. There are uniform requirements, marker requirements, and the missions are designed on actual military function and structure.
A scenario game might organize teams into units, but it is still fundamentally paintball, as opposed to a simulation event that uses paintball because real bullets hurt too much lol.
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Milsim = LARPing + military-esque paintball gear + marker.

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I'm not saying you HAVE to, but that kind of is what this whole thread is about

What do YOU consider milsim.
I agree with the other's I quoted. If that's a drawn line, then so be it.

I, me, consider Milsim wearing and playing with hot/heavy/hard surface sub-optimal gear to live out some GI Joe fantasy. Like when I first started and though a M98 with a Flatline, Ghille Suit, and just finding "the" spot to shoot everybody from.

You play awhile, you quickly realize what you individually need or don't. I realized I didn't need a "backup" pistol strapped to my thigh or a 20in barrel on my Tippmann. That doesn't mean it's wrong or silly. It means it's not for me.
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There is no line. It's a spectrum. Milsim is simply an adjective, and things can be more milsim or less milsim, just as something can be more blue or less blue.

So lets take a Dye DAM. Take off the stock, take off the foregrip, pick one in a more flashy color, and it's considerably less milsim. With it still being mag fed it's still slightly milsim, but only a bit. Run it with a stock, foregrip, add a few tacticool accessories, get it in a camo pattern, and it's way more milsim. Now it's not a 100% exact replica of an existing firearm, so it's not "pure" milsim, but it's getting up there.

This can then apply to anything. A Tippmann A5 is a bit more milsim than a standard Model98. A plate carrier is more milsim than a Dye Tactical Assault harness, but that's more milsim than a regular pod pack. A sci-fi themed scenario game is obviously not pure milsim, but it's more milsim than a speedball tournament.
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I realized I didn't need a "backup" pistol strapped to my thigh or a 20in barrel on my .
Lol, I first read this as a backup pistol with a 20in barrel and got a mental image of someone trying to holster that.

I know the reality is someone has tried... And it hurts my brain a little

Also, whenever the conversation of a "backup" pistol comes up try this next time:

Player "Something something, I have a backup pistol"

You: "a backup? So you are counting on your main marker breaking today?"

Player: "well no but stuff happens"

You: "so you didn't do your maintenance correct?... Got it"

It's pretty funny sometimes to see the wheels turn on that one because some players have never thought of WHY they have a pistol. It's just one of those things that you seemingly have to have as a milsim player
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Considering the length of some milsim players setups (looking at that 20" barrel) a "sidearm" is handy to have if you find yourself in more of a CQB instance.
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Considering the length of some milsim players setups (looking at that 20" barrel) a "sidearm" is handy to have if you find yourself in more of a CQB instance.
I mean, yes but the only reason you are in that situation of needing a pistol for qcb is because of the way you set up your primary
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