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Old 10-07-2017, 02:04 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Old 10-07-2017, 06:18 PM   #62 (permalink)
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As I understand it, a large portion of the pro 2nd amendment community is dead set against a national firearms database for fear of a government seizure program that may / could follow.
Maine had a registry system back 30 years or so. The records were searchable, manually. It didn't take long for theives to use the database to figure out where all the valuable firearms were.

It was such a colossal disaster, that they scrapped the entire system. CCW records are still public, as they are in many states. And lots of anti-gun groups scour those records to make lists that they can post publicly.

I'd support a registry, or even support forced training (like with hunting classes), if there was a 100% guarentee that the system would not be abused. But we all know it will be abused.

Even with CCW, Maine is a "Shall Issue" state. You get your permit from the local police station, but some departments would simply refuse to hand them out. It was technically illegal for them to do that, but it wasnt like they were going to arrest themselves.

The work around was to go get the permit from the state police, but I can imagine that it would just red-flag you with the local LEOs'.

None of those things would have made a difference with the Vegas situation. The whole thing still seems to not make any sense. Not crazy, and not a zealot. Usually, those types throw flags.
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Old 11-02-2017, 08:13 PM   #63 (permalink)
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not sure where everyone is on this but it was just reported that there were 3 people confronting the shooter (not one) before he started shooting.

seems like the actual timeline of events are vague and fuzzy.
is it possible that mandalay bay is trying to steer outcomes to have lower liability?
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Old 11-02-2017, 11:24 PM   #64 (permalink)
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From what I've been reading the bulk of the negligence lawsuit revolves around a gap in time of when the police where on site. It seems like Mandalay Bay and the Vegas police department keep trying to pass the buck to each other.

It has been historically difficult to sue law enforcement for not doing enough to protect a victim. Plenty of case law backing law enforcement when they didn't do enough. And beyond armchair quarterbacking and action movie fantasies 2 cops are probably not going to charge in shooting indiscriminately where hotel guests were in other rooms and on other floors. Because cops can and do get sued and fired for that kind of stuff.

At the end of the day if police are on the scene at the start of the shooting Mandalay bay is not liable. Kind of odd that this story has magically inserted 2 police officers at the start of the timeline.

Another interesting tidbit is that the PD admitted an officer had a negligent discharge after breaching long after the shooter stopped shooting. If you remember there were a bunch of conspiracy theories revolving around shots fired after the Vegas shooter had killed himself. So I guess witnesses were right, just the cause was negligence rather then a deep conspiracy. It was only revealed after independent reporters found the bullet hole.

There's no vast conspiracy here, but the PD and Mandalay Bay are intentionally not being forthcoming about the facts due to the lawsuit (assume more will follow) .

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Old 11-03-2017, 06:36 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Kind of odd that this story has magically inserted 2 police officers at the start of the timeline..
that and a few other oddities.
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Old 11-03-2017, 11:15 AM   #66 (permalink)
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that and a few other oddities.
The financials are the part I'm curious about, and because there will be lawsuits against the estate i'm sure more will come from that.

If you look at the gunman's short resume he was a low level accountant for the IRS and the aerospace industry at a time when there were very public money laundering cases against his employer. I doubt the conspiracy theories he was somehow still tied to either of those companies but those 2 jobs would of definitely given him a sophisticated level of education in money laundering.

This is a really interesting article debunking the successful gambler myth https://thenevadaindependent.com/art...mbling-in-2015 because casinos wouldnt be in business if there was such a thing.

But with video poker if you're very good you can estimate your losses. Which is convenient if you want to launder money. And Vegas is about as complacent to this practice as the federal government let's them be. But in a year period before the murder he had 200 transactions sent to FinCEN with a few of them flagged.

I don't know how this is relevant and there obviously is no correlation to money laundering and going off like he did, but it would fit within the framework of a sociopathic behavior. Since he owned low rent apartment complexes everywhere it could of just been his way of turning money orders into untaxed income.

Witness accounts ironically say he was paranoid and conspiracy theory obsessed, so maybe he thought the feds were closing in on him.
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Old 11-03-2017, 12:21 PM   #67 (permalink)
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I like your analysis of the situation, but I have two questions/reservations.
I think that professional poker players (against humans not videopoker) can make a living gambling.
Your analysis of motive isn't on point in my opinion. There really isn't a motive for random mass murder. If you want to run from the feds, there are plenty of ways to do that if you have the money. If there is a "motive," it has something to do with the afterlife or just hating life. The afterlife idea explains most islamic murders, and perhaps hating life is the best way to explain people who murder because they can't figure out why to live or let the world go on.
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Old 11-03-2017, 01:14 PM   #68 (permalink)
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No denying professional real poker players skills, but the big ones do it by tournaments, not going casino to casino and running the house. Video poker is like a glorified slot machine. You're not turning odds on any casinos in any electronic gaming. I know first hand the money tournament players make, my ex gf's dad was a WSP player. There are endorsements, speaking engagements, writing gigs, and other stuff attached to it, so it's not just beating odds to get rich.

I agree, we'll never know the real motive, and even if we did it still wouldn't make sense. You can't assign rational thoughts to irrational people.

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This is a really interesting article debunking the successful gambler myth
What the article fails to point out is the way pro video poker players actually make their money. Free hotel rooms, gifts - lots of gifts, meals, flights, cash back, cash prizes, show tickets, girls, limos, even cars. I have a friend that does this as a side gig and his mentor was given a Mercedes.
Yes, you lose a little under 1% automatically, but the gifts vastly outweigh that amount if you can monetize them. They want you in the seats, players attract the big fish that don't make the right move every time. Those gifts are usually free/cheap for the casinos as well.
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