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Old 03-24-2019, 11:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Understanding the Cats

I recently bought an alleycat, and it feels great. I have only played with it once.
When I see all of the cats that ICD made, I don't understand the evolution of the design. They look about the same to me. What is the progression of the design? Were they produced at the same time and were some considered higher quality?
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Old 03-24-2019, 11:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Alleycats and Thundercats are the same gun, just different names... one was sold by NPS, I believe.

Other than that, I think the Puma is just a slightly older design.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The line of "cats" starts with the ICE Panther VTS.
The Versatile Tank System meant you could run a tank out the rear asa, or under the barrel or vertical or dual tanks.
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The second gun was the Bobcat. Same valve and bolt design, but it had refined barrel threads, refined back cap threads and the direct feed was replaced with the power feed for faster feed rates. The rear asa was eliminated and a 45 degree vertical only asa was on the front.
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The Puma was next. it was the same as the Panther but with the new refined barrel, back and powerfeed
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The first 3 guns were machined individually, upper and lower from the same billet of aluminum.

In order to speed up manufacturing the Thunder Cat was designed so they could manufacture a bunch of lowers and a bunch of uppers that then could be assembled.

The first Thunder Cats were back asa only. later they added the front asa (vert only) then they Made the ES (extra Short) which only had the front vert asa. When they added a Double trigger and guard, they had to extend the front asa so the tank would not rub the guard.
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The rear section bolt, and rear cap are different from the Puma,Bobcat,Panther because the gun is shorter overall. bolt tip, valve assembly, main spring and powerfeed are the same.

The Alleycat was made for National Paintball Supply to sell. its really no different then the Thunder Cat except for a few cost cutting items. Trigger shoe was plastic on Alleycat, and the grip was a cheaper m16 version.
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There was a second gen Puma that was manufactured like the Thunder Cat (separate uppers and lowers) it also had a smaller front asa that only allowed for a 7 or 9 under the barrel.(older asa could handle a 12 or 14).
these guns are easy to identify as the have a straight seem between the upper and lower. as oppose to the "notched" seem in the 1st gen Puma.
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Great re-cap!
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Great overview! From this explanation, it sounds like the Thunder Cat is the most advanced Cat. Is that correct?
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They are essentially the same. besides some trigger geometry.
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Old 04-01-2019, 09:51 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Definitely my favorite markers. Mine are all Alley/Thunder.

I still run back bottles on some of them, but I set this one up as my primary.

CCI bottom line kit and 45 grip frame.


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That's a .685" CP in the pic.

I currently run a "custom" 2 piece barrel. It's an Empire .681" back mated to a Dye front. I had to turn down the shank on the Dye a little, but the threads are the same.
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Couple quick questions

1) what is power feed? I keep seeing it referenced but not explained

2) what's a working puma go for these days? Is there much demand?
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1) what is power feed? I keep seeing it referenced but not explained

It’s where the feed tube crosses diagonally over the top of the breech. This alleviated blowback pressure on the ball stack to improve feed consistency/speed over straight right or left feeds.

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