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Old 03-14-2017, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Magfed Questions

Back in the sport after forever and I have a stock class Phantom. Will probably buy more Phantoms, but that is neither here nor there.

I am also looking at magfed guns and I would like opinions on the RAP4 Troy and the Milsig M17 Elite. Or, any other guns you guys may have experience with. Also, opinions on FS rounds and ability to use them at a lot of fields.

Plus, I have no experience with or have never been around any of the MILSIM scenario events. What are they like? Pretty fun? Are there many scenario games each year? Enough to justify going all-out on camo, vests, tactical blah blah, you get the picture.

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Old 03-14-2017, 04:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A bunch of guys have had poor experience with RAP4 products but it sounds like they might be turning that around. Milsig stuff has always felt solid in my hands but never fired one. I ran a TiPX for awhile and the experience was mixed. Gun was comfortable, 12g changes were simple, but the thing broke paint like that is what it was designed for. DAM mags are by far my favorite right now because of how easy to clean they are.
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:57 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I ran a tipx that broke paint like crazy; sent it to Tippmann for repairs and they replaced the breech. Fixed everything.
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Old 03-14-2017, 05:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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There are a bunch of threads like this in the Magfed section that will get you a lot of information. There is also a thread with all known fields that allow FSR.

I like magfed/pump/limited paint more than regular paintball full stop. It's just more fun and pure IMO. So any limited paint style big game is just going to be that much more fun. Magfed is a nice middle ground between stock class and hopper pump. The number of games will come down to your geographical area.

Once you shoot FSR you won't want to go back.

The only reason I wear camo is because camo helps me hide. Also you're pretty much going to need a vest or rig of some sort. Magfed is only magfed if you carry a bunch of mags on the field with you
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I have loved the idea of mag fed for a long time. But I have struggled enormously with the exicution of that idea.

I have not tried the rap4 468. But I hear decent things.
I have tried the milsig line up and really could not get around the tank in stock... literally. Could not aim
Built a sweet MPKII and thought that would do the trick! Probably would have if I didn't accidently buy a DAM. We shall see how that goes.

Tried the tipx. Could not aim it and could not stand taking it apart ... got a T8.1, so let's give that a shot.

You will find mag fed bulky, slow, heavy, inefficient, inconsistent, maintenance nightmare and expensive as all hell to get set up...

But also very fun.


You don't need camouflage and vests to play mag fed. In fact I would suggest avoiding them. Hot, heavy, bulky slow...

I prefer a pouch set up low on the hip. But that's me, I hav I haven't found my perfect set up yet.
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I have loved the idea of mag fed for a long time. But I have struggled enormously with the exicution of that idea.

I have not tried the rap4 468. But I hear decent things.
I have tried the milsig line up and really could not get around the tank in stock... literally. Could not aim
Built a sweet MPKII and thought that would do the trick! Probably would have if I didn't accidently buy a DAM. We shall see how that goes.

Tried the tipx. Could not aim it and could not stand taking it apart ... got a T8.1, so let's give that a shot.

You will find mag fed bulky, slow, heavy, inefficient, inconsistent, maintenance nightmare and expensive as all hell to get set up...

But also very fun.


You don't need camouflage and vests to play mag fed. In fact I would suggest avoiding them. Hot, heavy, bulky slow...

I prefer a pouch set up low on the hip. But that's me, I hav I haven't found my perfect set up yet.
Get the 3d printed lower that uses half dam mags for that T8.1 hehe. You can get 8 half dam mags for $40 and be able to shoot FSR and round ball for around $400 total. $200 8.1, $160 for the lower and $40 for mags.
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^ seriously looked/looking at that. Love the idea. But it would require returning to a tether. ..I would love to see him incorporate a cci bucket into the grip to keep 12g an option.
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The big thing when it comes to playing magfed is that you can't run the highest grades of paint. the mags are tough on paint so you will wind up with breach load breaks, breaks inside the mags, all kinds of stuff. Graffiti is the go-to paint for all the magfed people I know. It's tough enough to survive, brittle enough to break well on target, and typically reasonably round.

Yes, you will need some kind of a setup to carry your mags. No this setup does not have to be expensive. No you do not have to go full camo.

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My TiPX was great, right up until I started screwing around tinkering with it. Once I did that even replacing the modified parts with original wouldn't fix it
I had so much fun playing with the TiPX that I decided to get a Milsig.

Milsig mk3: I like the tank in stock, but I do find it's a bit long and will often rest the stock on top of my shoulder rather than against it (particularly if I'm working the corner of a building and playing tight)

Since I got my DSG the milsig doesn't get much use. It's not technically magfed but would be allowed at most events as it's both pump and 'milsim'. It's one of my favourite guns. It's heavy, long, not terribly efficient on 12 grams, but the fun factor of running a pistol gripped pump shotgun is just unparalleled. (also Dukie is a pretty cool guy and I bought it direct from him )

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I've got a mesh vest which I swap between magfed (milsig fazmags) and open class (pod pack attachments on back). At big games (not magfed only) I found I would shoot my 5 magazines (100 balls) just to get up to the front lines, which left me empty and with a near empty tank, so I made a quick loader out of a pod, and stuck that and a spare 13ci in a 2 pod pack on my back to reload on field.

I never found it to be all that much heavier/hotter than playing open class. The weight is about the same, you just have a lot less shots.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:27 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I did a write up on my Magfed journey through 3 different Markers

Tiberius T9.1
Milsig M17 CQC
Dye Dam

Check it out

https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/m...ylongpost.html
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I think a TiPX is probably the best all around way to get into mag fed unless you know for sure that you don't want a pistol.

I had an M17, and over all I was really happy with it. It was a little big and heavy, but shot great and was reliable.

First strike is a blast, especially for scenarios. You don't need a fancy setup to have fun with FSR - You can single load them into a lot of different guns with slightly modified bodies or breaches (I have used a PGP without a feed tube many a time).

I would check and see if there is a good magfed player group in your area. That would be a great way to see if there is a good group to run with, but also probably to handle and shoot some different gear.
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