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Originally Posted by Lohman446

Its what most "waivers" do. The people signing and participate never seek legal advice because they beleive the waiver means something. Only those who are willing to run off to a lawer find out otherwise. The "donation" side of it is going to blow up someday when someone else writes off said "donation" and the people taking it are not set up as a charity / non-profit / whatever.

Run it as a club. Due's might be more favorable in the eyes of new world order institutions.

[Lohman446]

I mean this nicely. Those of you who think you can run a profitable business and outsmart the IRS, local government, and insurance companies through semantics are very likely fooling yourself. If it is your goal to form a club I HIGHLY suggest you seek competent professional advice who has experience setting up and defending such an organization. Understand that if you are making a profit all sorts of protections you assumed you had (and might have had) are gone.

[Yellow5]

Originally Posted by Lohman446

I mean this nicely. Those of you who think you can run a profitable business and outsmart the IRS, local government, and insurance companies through semantics are very likely fooling yourself. If it is your goal to form a club I HIGHLY suggest you seek competent professional advice who has experience setting up and defending such an organization. Understand that if you are making a profit all sorts of protections you assumed you had (and might have had) are gone.

Well said.

Consider the following analogy - it's maybe not exactly spot-on, but it provided me with enough amusement writing it that I'll share it anyway:
If you are collecting turds, but try to say they are not turds, but rather call them "chocolate" that just goes to the "maintenance and upkeep" of turds without actually being turds, the IRS is still going to recognize a turd when they see one, and they are still going to want their share of the turd no matter how much you call it chocolate.

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Originally Posted by Yellow5

Well said.

Consider the following analogy - it's maybe not exactly spot-on, but it provided me with enough amusement writing it that I'll share it anyway:
If you are collecting turds, but try to say they are not turds, but rather call them "chocolate" that just goes to the "maintenance and upkeep" of turds without actually being turds, the IRS is still going to recognize a turd when they see one, and they are still going to want their share of the turd no matter how much you call it chocolate.

Awesome analogy. Defend your turds pay your turd taxes.

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Originally Posted by Yellow5

.. the IRS is still going to recognize a turd when they see one, and they are still going to want their share of the turd no matter how much you call it chocolate.

pretty good... same holds true for sales tax on chocolate covered paintballs for outlaw and commercial fields a like. I bet they might want a bit of those fica taxes on the chocolate refs as well.