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Painthappy 05-20-2013 09:51 AM

New Empire Axe - LE Carbon
 
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Frankly it's a sweet looking gun.

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Empire Axe LE – Carbon

MAP: $794.95

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Redline foregrip with OLED screen and joystick interface
Carbon Fiber Super Freak 6pc barrel kit with .675, .680, .685, .690 and .695 bore sizes
Unique Push Button Bolt Removal System For Easy Maintenance
Empire Relay Regulator/ASA with ON/OFF Lever Makes Tank Removal a Breeze
Extended Grip Frame and New Grip for Increased Comfort
Magnet Returned Bearing Trigger Offers Smooth Firing Action
Integrated Break Beam Anti-Chop Eyes Eliminates Chopped Balls
Outstanding Velocity Consistency Offers Performance You can Depend On
Low Pressure Operation is Gentle on Paint
Through Grip Air Transfer Means No Hoses to Crimp or Break
New clamping feedneck gives a new look with increased durability


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Painthappy 05-20-2013 09:54 AM

May seem like a stupid question... but it's not answered in the press release...

So? Is the body made out of Carbon Fiber too? Or is it just a facade? Like Veneer on wood.

It doesn't actually say.

D3adpool 05-20-2013 10:05 AM

Nice! I wished thought the foregrip also had the CF effect on it as well....

keeping my fingers crossed that it is true CF....

Schmitti 05-20-2013 10:06 AM

It's so damn hard to see. They should have used different lighting and a different background so we can actually see the "carbon fiber". Because of that it's hard to see if it's a CF wrap... or a CF pattern dip.

I have a feeling if it is really CF, that there is still an aluminum sleeve in there. You can see it from the front angle shot. If anything I'm leaning towards just a hydrographic pattern dip.

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JLuke 05-20-2013 10:07 AM

It looks awesome, I normally hate chrome on a marker.

But on the CF body, I'd have to guess no on it being a full carbon fiber body for that price. If I'm not mistaken I believe the normal axe with redline is around in this price range, I would think if it was a CF body that would have driven the price up considerably.

I could be wrong, one can only dream though, I would love to see a full CF bodied marker that is just alumnimum or SS sleeved.

Rick 05-20-2013 10:09 AM

to me it looks like you can see a aluminum tube right were the barrel screws in; and i would assume they would have put an aluminum tube wrap in fiber. For the extra $400 i would have assumed they would have at least made the trigger frame as well as the fore grip carbon fiber as well. i got really excited when i seen the posting, yet unexcited when i seen the gun.

ttwo 05-20-2013 10:25 AM

It's a vinyl wrap/hydro dip on the body... the barrel it true carbon

D3adpool 05-20-2013 10:27 AM

Then if that is the case they should have done the same with the foregrip and maybe even the grip panel......sigh.....:confused:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ttwo (Post 2712979)
It's a vinyl wrap/hydro dip on the body... the barrel it true carbon


Warrzone 05-20-2013 10:42 AM

even if the whole thing was carbon fibur id still have a hard time paying $800 for an Axe

PumpMonkey_Dave 05-20-2013 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Painthappy (Post 2712952)
Carbon Fiber Super Freak 6pc barrel kit with .675, .680, .685, .690 and .695 bore sizes

Only place in the press description that it mentioned being carbon fiber is the barrel. If the body was CF, I am pretty sure they would have highlighted that big time.

But it is still a sweet looking gun.

Jebus 05-20-2013 01:08 PM

I'd rock that...and I don't shoot electro's lol

desertT1 05-20-2013 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painthappy (Post 2712955)
May seem like a stupid question... but it's not answered in the press release...

So? Is the body made out of Carbon Fiber too? Or is it just a facade? Like Veneer on wood.

It doesn't actually say.

I made that double take as well. Full carbon would be pretty tough. There is a Shocker project on PBN that had given the very capable modder some issues.

My money is on a thin aluminum core that is wrapped. If it's not the real stuff, well, let's just say that it better be the real stuff.

DamoNAN 05-20-2013 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PumpMonkey_Dave (Post 2713048)
Only place in the press description that it mentioned being carbon fiber is the barrel. If the body was CF, I am pretty sure they would have highlighted that big time.

The body has some sort of glossy/glass finish to it. I held one in Feb at the Extravaganza. It is slick looking, but I like the camo one better.

4G010H3R0 05-20-2013 07:12 PM

They had one of these at CPX this weekend. I was eyeballing it at legends but there was a huge line and I didnt feel like asking to hold it considering I didnt really wanna buy it. It did catch my eye right off the bat though.

T-MAC 05-20-2013 08:52 PM

neat

Rage 01 05-20-2013 09:22 PM

I had one at the shop for a display for a week.
The body is a carbon fiber wrap not solid. The barrel is carbon fiber tho.
It looks great, shot just like a axe should.

Can't wait to get them on June 1st.

blackrain 05-21-2013 03:06 AM

Once you buy it, just send the foregrip to OHG and have them carbon fiber it for you :)

Later,
Blackrain :)

Frizzle Fry 05-21-2013 03:16 AM

I'm picturing cleaning the paint out from between the body and the barrel where all the new fancy milling is on the "super duper freak" back... Also wondering if that's porting on the aluminum bezel on the tip or just another place to clean paint out of?

I find myself underwhelmed... Doing a plain tube for a body and shoving a thin carbonfiber pipe around it would not be that much more expensive than hydrodipping and would let this thing live up to its namesake.

PistolRogue 05-21-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackrain (Post 2713667)
Once you buy it, just send the foregrip to OHG and have them carbon fiber it for you :)

Later,
Blackrain :)

For $800+, you really shouldn't have to :rolleyes:

Dr. VonDeafingson 05-21-2013 11:08 AM

Looks like a graphic anno to match the tip.

blackrain 05-21-2013 02:21 PM

Exactly
 
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Originally Posted by PistolRogue (Post 2713778)
For $800+, you really shouldn't have to :rolleyes:

That's why I won't pay that price. I'll wait for some kid at the field to destroy it and then I'll buy it cheap :D

Later,
Blackrain :)

fullofpaint 05-21-2013 02:40 PM

We raffled off literally the first production one in the states for the Guns for Hoses event a couple weeks ago, it is just a vinyl wrap or something like that, it is VERY pretty though.

Edit: idk if this pic will show up:

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...25641760_n.jpg

Bloop 05-21-2013 03:26 PM

Looks pretty neat. I wonder how this axe will compare to the normal axe in terms of weight? I wonder how the weight difference will affect recoil, maybe this will have a bit more kick to it?

Studwiser 05-21-2013 10:36 PM

The body only has a carbon fiber wrap, this is the reason i have decided to pass on it lol. Had a chance to pre order with my sponsorship.

YeloSno 05-22-2013 02:09 PM

Has anyone noticed that they milled it differently? either less or more meat, but it looks like they milled it down to where the grooves and whatnot of the typical axes doesn't show anymore, so it should be lighter as well.

Also, what the ****? The carbon wrap is gloss and the tip is matte and the chrome is obviously gloss. They need a new design team for gun cosmetics. This is silly that they can't churn out a decent looking marker :/

Deuce 05-23-2013 05:08 PM

Seems to me they're trying hard to be misleading here. If the whole thing was truly CF they would brag about it. As is IMO it looks like a superflous bump in MSRP for a fancy looking barrel and board upgrade that should be standard at this point.

ETA:

Ok, so it seems it's chromed out as well and the body is wrapped to look like the tip. Yeah, Pass.

brew52 05-23-2013 08:02 PM

Handled on at my local shop. Body is aluminum with a wrap of some sort, barrel is aluminum back with cf tip.

The wrap over the aluminum body looks pretty cheap in person.

ScottQ 05-24-2013 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deuce (Post 2715980)
Seems to me they're trying hard to be misleading here. If the whole thing was truly CF they would brag about it. As is IMO it looks like a superflous bump in MSRP for a fancy looking barrel and board upgrade that should be standard at this point.

ETA:

Ok, so it seems it's chromed out as well and the body is wrapped to look like the tip. Yeah, Pass.

We're not trying to be misleading at all and I apologize if our pre-release literature has come across that way.

The Axe LE actually has thin layer of real carbon fiber wrapped around the body and coated. It is durable and pretty badass. :thumbup:

splattttttt 05-24-2013 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Painthappy (Post 2712955)
May seem like a stupid question... but it's not answered in the press release...

So? Is the body made out of Carbon Fiber too? Or is it just a facade? Like Veneer on wood.

It doesn't actually say.

I will never forget the day when I was laughed at for suggesting this as an option back around sometime 2001 2003 on Doc's site.
Glad to finally see this product being used as an integral part of the mechanical aspect of a gun other than using it just for accessories and what not.

Frizzle Fry 05-24-2013 10:05 PM

Splattttttt, us automag guys have been doing it for years!

As for this marker being "real" carbon fiber wrap, maybe that's the case but being that it's such a fine veneer of lighter material (and heavy bonding agents) over ever-so-slightly smaller than stock hunk of aluminum, it seems a little bit silly/expensive to go that route rather than hydrodipping.

heinous 05-24-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by splattttttt (Post 2716954)
I will never forget the day when I was laughed at for suggesting this as an option back around sometime 2001 2003 on Doc's site.
Glad to finally see this product being used as an integral part of the mechanical aspect of a gun other than using it just for accessories and what not.

i think i got laughed at there for laughing at palin.

splattttttt 05-24-2013 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frizzle Fry (Post 2717050)
Splattttttt, us automag guys have been doing it for years!

As for this marker being "real" carbon fiber wrap, maybe that's the case but being that it's such a fine veneer of lighter material (and heavy bonding agents) over ever-so-slightly smaller than stock hunk of aluminum, it seems a little bit silly/expensive to go that route rather than hydrodipping.

nice example right here. https://www.mcarterbrown.com/forums/a...f-ule-mag.html
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8369/8...360fc666_z.jpg

Frizzle Fry 05-24-2013 11:32 PM

That is pretty, but I was referring to the modified ULE bodies that we were making over on Automags.org almost 10 years ago, and then more recently WarpedMephisto started offering the service. Basically removing much of the dead weight on a ULE body and replacing it with a carbonfiber tube.

YeloSno 05-25-2013 12:47 AM

Oooh, I would so buy a CF body and Rail right now. Hopefully all the threads are Al sleeved. Would be nice to put in some solid detents and eyes, neck and all that which could match the frame and lowers.

eckoblazer 05-25-2013 08:14 PM

They could have maybe done a carbon fiber trigger since the body isn't actually CF.
https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a37...r/DSCN3069.jpg
Something like that


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