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Old 12-30-2017, 10:51 AM   #131 (permalink)
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You would have to use a much lighter spring if you want to use the pressure from the system, because Ions are much lower pressure than all the other guns that use a cyclone. But if the spring is too soft it won't cycle reliably, or might not be strong enough to push all the paintballs in the feedstack. They could have made a piston with larger area to use the lower pressure, but it would probably need more volume than the exhaust has, as well as taking up more space in the loader.

Also, in the blowbacks and Phenoms, the air used by the cyclone does not affect the bolt speed or valve timing. In an Ion, using the exhaust air for energy slows the bolt speed. You're basically doing the exact opposite of a QEV, which messes with the bolt speed and valve, and can have a detrimental effect on FPS and efficiency.

If the beads are durable and don't create much friction, it's probably the simplest and most reliable way to transfer mechanical energy in a non-linear fashion, given the Ion engine design and operating pressure.
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:37 PM   #132 (permalink)
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Old 12-30-2017, 02:56 PM   #133 (permalink)
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Running a Cyclone off the exhaust of an Ion core you might need a pilot valve as a toggle for the Cyclone input. Like a transistor but electronic.
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Old 12-30-2017, 03:35 PM   #134 (permalink)
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Running a Cyclone off the exhaust of an Ion core you might need a pilot valve as a toggle for the Cyclone input. Like a transistor but electronic.
The noid already functions as this.

There would need to be some modifications though, cyclone piston would probably need to be larger and it's possible you would either need to run the spring mod on the ion to provide enough forward force to the bolt

Worst case the sail area on the bolt needs to be made larger

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The noid already functions as this.

There would need to be some modifications though, cyclone piston would probably need to be larger and it's possible you would either need to run the spring mod on the ion to provide enough forward force to the bolt

Worst case the sail area on the bolt needs to be made larger

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Or... oh look, a mechanical linkage that works every time.
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Old 01-04-2018, 02:56 PM   #136 (permalink)
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Or... oh look, a mechanical linkage that works every time.
but.... painful lawnmower recoil starter beads.....
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but.... painful lawnmower recoil starter beads.....
Oh, that's what we're calling them?
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The noid already functions as this.

There would need to be some modifications though, cyclone piston would probably need to be larger and it's possible you would either need to run the spring mod on the ion to provide enough forward force to the bolt

Worst case the sail area on the bolt needs to be made larger

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Aren't you vehemently against the cyclone feed system?
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Aren't you vehemently against the cyclone feed system?
Can't say I'm a huge fan of it. I think it is only an acceptable mechanical loading system for a a5 in stock trim, if you start modifying like tippmann wants their customers to though then it starts causing issues

I think one simple thing tippmann could have done is to spring load the drive so it would not jerk like it does.

There are only a few scenarios where the cyclone is the only option, if you insist on not having batteries at all on your setup for whatever your reason is and you want to get 10+ BPS out of it then, as long as you use the right paint them it will typically manage that

But as a rule of thumb, no, I do not like the cyclone

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Old 01-05-2018, 09:26 PM   #140 (permalink)
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I can use any paint in my Cyclone A5. Never understood why people say cyclones are hard on paint... They aren't. I've literally not broken a ball in my cyclone in 10 years!

When people break paint it is almost always because they are shooting too hot. Tippmann's have big velocity spikes when the powertube isn't maintained properly causing it to fire with large spikes in velocity. If you dial in your A5 it won't have big spikes. Mine shoot +/-3fps.

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