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Old 01-28-2020, 03:16 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I will say, the sponsors appear to be all Democrats, suggesting that any votes on this bill may be strictly along party lines. If that's the case, the bill is unlikely to pass any votes and may not even be brought up for a vote at all as the Republicans control both houses of the General Assembly by fair margins.

Sorry for the politics; I generally assume it's OK on strictly paintball-related issues
With the way partisan politics are going these days I wouldn't be surprised to see Republicans vote positively on this bill. Apparently because Trump is a closeted gun control advocate it's now in vogue to be a Republican who is for gun control.
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I will say, the sponsors appear to be all Democrats, suggesting that any votes on this bill may be strictly along party lines. If that's the case, the bill is unlikely to pass any votes and may not even be brought up for a vote at all as the Republicans control both houses of the General Assembly by fair margins.

Sorry for the politics; I generally assume it's OK on strictly paintball-related issues
I don't really consider this a political statement, because it seems very unbiased and you don't really voice political opinion.

Your fine.

As per political indoctrination, this is as old as time. From discrimination to romans raising foreign kids the roman way, I cant really say that dems are at fault cause every party has done this at one time or another to one group or another.

Personally I dont like this bill and disagree with the party pushing this, as its unreasonable.
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Old 01-28-2020, 04:55 PM   #23 (permalink)
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To me, this is ridiculous.

Can sell and buy REAL weapons with zero issue, but TOYS... oh no sir... we couldn't possibly...

This is two things:

#1: Trying to make it look like politicians are doing 'something' about guns whilst doing nothing.
#2: Stopping liability of the police (etc) when they shoot someone carrying a toy.

In short, if you value you Constitutional rights, you should be against this, as it is a step in the process to take them away. (No, I don't own a fire arm btw, no I don't belong to NRA or whatever... but rights are rights.... learn when to spot the warning signs).
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Old 02-04-2020, 05:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Not a surprise to see this kind of thing going on in Jersey.
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Old 02-15-2020, 06:53 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Laws that strip people of their rights have a way of turning on their supporters. If you think this isn’t your problem just because you’re not into milsim, you’re mistaken. If signed into law, this bill won’t just affect replica milsim markers like the TMC and T15. The wording of the bill can and eventually will be interpreted to include what are technically non-replica milsim markers as well, such as MG100s and TiPXs. After all, how can a police officer always be expected to tell the difference from a distance, right? And if those are made illegal, there’d be no reason — none that the courts would care about, anyway — to not also include on the ban list any paintball marker that is black, blue, silver, and/or aluminum in color, because after all, how can a police officer be expected to always tell the difference from a distance? Frivolous bills like this have the potential to be devastating for people like us. I don’t know about you, but I like owning my Automags, Autocockers, Tippmanns, Phantoms, etc., all of which are either black, gray, or silver.

But nevermind how a law like this can be twisted into expanding its definition of “replica firearm” to ultimately affect the legal ownership of your black Etha. How about having some principles and a little empathy? If milsim isn’t your thing, or if you dislike the milsim community, that’s fine. I’m not into milsim, either, and I’m not asking you to like them or approve of their style of play. But we should be better than contently sitting by while the rights of others, especially people we might not like, disintegrate away just because their passion and enjoyment isn’t “our thing”.
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Old 03-14-2020, 03:36 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Speaking from a purely intellectual standpoint, I don't understand the real-world benefit of bills like this. I get laws about real guns. I mean, when someone shoots up a school with an AR-15, it makes logical sense why a politician would try to do something to prevent that from happening again. But replicas? What good does it do to ban them? Are people actually holding up banks with fake guns with enough frequency to demand this type of attention?
I do not support this law at all. However, as a police officer replica looking guns are an issue and do get people hurt. It's just a fact.

a) the general public can't tell the difference and usually I can't even blame them. They call 911 about people waving a gun around and police have to respond accordingly. It's common for robberies to be carried out with airsoft guns. In my experience *most* of the time the gun is either an airgun or an airsoft gun.

b) there really is no safe way to deal with a fake gun. You can't risk your life assuming a gun is fake, just as you can't risk your life assuming a downed power line is turned off.

I post this hesitantly because I don't want to get political. I just want to point out that it's not isolated incidents. In my experience, most of my gun-related incidents turn out to involve fake guns. Heck, 2 days ago a kid in my patrol area was shot because he deliberately waved an airsoft rifle around.

In short: yes, it happens frequently.

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Old 03-14-2020, 04:17 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Why do soldiers fighting in our bull**** wars have tighter restrictions on rules of engagements than police officers? If you’re that scared of dying, don’t be a police officer, choose a different career.
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Old 03-14-2020, 07:04 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Just like previous states have tried to pass before, Pennsylvania has proposed a bill that would ban the use and sale of imitation firearms. The wording in the bill would affect both airsoft and paintball.

The wording of the bill can be found here: https://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs...r=2216&pn=3140

There is also a petition against the bill here: https://www.change.org/p/pennsylvani...me&utm_term=cs

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As a PA resident, thanks for posting this.
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Why do soldiers fighting in our bull**** wars have tighter restrictions on rules of engagements than police officers? If youíre that scared of dying, donít be a police officer, choose a different career.
I don't think this is a helpful comment.

To the LEOs here, what would be a helpful way to reduce the risk to you of a real gun with an orange blaze on it, while reducing the risk that someone playing with a replica is shot?
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Truck drivers have a higher mortality rate than police officers. I realize it's an unpopular opinion but I rather agree with arturo, particularly when the alternative is to curtail my freedom just to keep Officer Paranoid off his hair trigger.

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