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Old 02-01-2020, 12:24 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Sure we can. Itís like the rest of the First Strike UN/ISO bottles, they have USA endorsement and are globally accepted. We wouldnít bring it to market otherwise.
Hey ScottQ, is First Strike working to educated business owners and the paintball insurance community? Many of us have had to deal with willful ignorance of some field owners. They find the rules "too complicated" and are resistant of players trying to help them stay abreast of the standards.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:37 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Why is this, 3AL has nothing to do with composite bottles? There are no DOT 3AL bottles that are rated for 4500 psig. You want a 3AL bottle in this cuin range you'll have to settle for a 17cuin and 3000 psig and hope it has the 3AL markings. As I said I have two brand new ones that are identical from the same mfg and one came DOT 3AL and the other ISO marked.

ISO bottles have been okay for use (transport and refilling) in the US for 15 years now [as I've found out in my research]. The problem now is helping educate the paintball populace to that fact. In fact a comparable bottle under ISO standards are tested to a higher standard when compared to the comparable bottle under the DOT standard. It actually looks like the DOT is actively working toward aligning with ISO standard so they can drop maintaining US specific standards. Embrace the change
I just mean that I don't want another bottle that I have to test. The big reason I enjoy my smaller 13/3K is just that I don't have to worry about having it tested every 5 years.

This is a cool item and I'm sure many players will want it, but for me personally if it's something like this I would stick to using my 45/45, that's all.
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Old 02-01-2020, 01:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 02-01-2020, 11:33 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Sure we can. It’s like the rest of the First Strike UN/ISO bottles, they have USA endorsement and are globally accepted. We wouldn’t bring it to market otherwise.
Thanks Scott Now officially excited also

Exactly which ISO specification does it meet?
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Old 02-01-2020, 11:46 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Hey ScottQ, is First Strike working to educated business owners and the paintball insurance community? Many of us have had to deal with willful ignorance of some field owners. They find the rules "too complicated" and are resistant of players trying to help them stay abreast of the standards.
Yes, I believe that is our torch to carry. We canít allow our game to be boxed in, doing so could stunt itís growth. Our game is relatively young, it can go in any direction.

Ideas and eventual change is a super sensitive subject regardless of what youíre talking about. Change takes time and we as a company need to do more.

We often foot the bill for extra event insurance so a field will allow FSR despite the recent ASTM change. Sometimes calling the field and citing a few documents is enough though.

Regarding the USA endorsement for the UN/ISO bottle, that does cost a good bit of money to have done. I wasnít surprised that no one else wanted to foot the bill given to sales of magfed markers when compared to the likes of speedball markers. Hopper ball is still the most popular style of play by a long shot.
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The DYE core 0,25L/300bar (15/4500) tanks are ISO rated but couldn't sell in the usa?

Are the First Strike tanks also Armotech BMK0,25-45-300 cylinders? Will you be selling just the cylinder with no regulator?
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Old 02-01-2020, 12:59 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Ooooooo I gotta get one of these for my VSS! Not a huge fan of that need to rehydro so often, but then again maybe it would encourage me to get out more often to make that $$ investment worthwhile.
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Old 02-01-2020, 02:36 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The DYE core 0,25L/300bar (15/4500) tanks are ISO rated but couldn't sell in the usa?

Not currently endorsed for USA use.

Are the First Strike tanks also Armotech BMK0,25-45-300 cylinders? Will you be selling just the cylinder with no regulator?
No, Armotech is a European factory I believe. I think they make the Dye and PE bottles. Yes, we do plan on selling just the bottle.
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Old 02-01-2020, 02:36 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I’ve been trying to get a dye or PE one for ages, but nobody will ship to me, so hopefully this works out.

$232.93 shipped in June.
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Old 02-02-2020, 12:33 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Lighter and more shots? Um, yes please. I'm surprised more pump guys aren't excited about this.
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